Don't Forget this Saturday--Wildlife Biologist Jessica Baumann at Jordan Lake

**JordanLimit** · 06-08-2013, 04:07 PM

No--alewives and threadfin are not the same. Norman has blueback herring and alewives, but Jordan does not and we do not want them in there. We need to help make sure these two species of fish stay out of Jordan. The catfish guys have already introduced some unwanted species into the lake.

**CAPP** · 06-08-2013, 06:16 PM

I can't help but agree with Sundance to a degree,I was there and no matter what idea or knowledge we gave them it was no dice.They can't tell me stocking good gene fish will not help.Yes the threadfin kill hurt but dominant fish will produce dominant fish.I personally was not satisfied with any answers I heard,and didn't hear anything I didn't already know.(other than a cute little handout) It was very clear they are only interested in strippers,I guess that is what the money people want to fish for.As most of you that know me know I have fished all over and a man with hooks in the water can tell you more than a stupid net put out that will not hold small(3-4 inch) fish will ever tell you.If you don't get or accept the correct data you ain't learning nothing.And if they only caught one fish over 2 lbs. out of 2247 then maybe move the net to more locations.Sorry for my thoughts but it makes me mad to drive 96 miles one way and get BS and closed minds.

**Tarheelwx** · 06-08-2013, 06:37 PM

Ok. What's wrong with alewives?
TW

**monkscrappie** · 06-08-2013, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by sundance

You work for the wildlife?

No they don't do a good job. The proof is in their reaction to the issue. You can't tell me they don't already have the funding or resources to stock more threadfin. I bet they already have the funding/resources to stock more stripers. The excuse is always.... we need more money. I don't believe it. Prove me they are doing the best they can with what they've got. How about they stop spending money to "crunch the numbers" and actually put more into stockings? The way I understand it.... someone is choosing the put what where. It's not the legislators making that decision.

I have another great idea. How about a volunteer campaign? Maybe help with sampling and " crunching the numbers"!! I'd volunteer. I bet there many who would as well! When you get stuck in a good old endless government job..... well.... I'll stop there. I think it's time for new blood. From the legislators on down. That is just my worthless opinion.....

At the meeting at Farrington, I asked if they needed vounteers. They just looked at me!

Monk

**sundance** · 06-09-2013, 11:00 AM

I found this today while doing some searches online. It a study from 1993 about Jordan Lake that basically is the same situation we face now. Interesting read about the role of threadfin shad and the growth of crappie in the lake.

http://www.seafwa.org/resource/dynam...ON-511-519.pdf

**spitzerone** · 06-09-2013, 05:41 PM

My question has not been answered. What caused the fish kills? Are there any theories about that?

**CrappieTuttle** · 06-09-2013, 06:07 PM

Can the public purchase thread fin shad themselves? if so would it be possible to put on a crappie tournament and use the money for that purpose. My thinking is, if its possible, matters in your own hands.

**JordanLimit** · 06-09-2013, 07:40 PM

The shad died from extreme cold three winters back. They gave the water temperature from bottom to top and it was lethal to a large number of shad. The past two winters have been mild with no shad kill-off. It's rare, but we do have those extremely cold temp's every few years.

**crappyhappy** · 06-10-2013, 06:41 AM

It comes down too,not enough money in the nc wildlife ,well about 6 years ago a friend of mine and myself were discussing the reason nc was so far behind on new boat ramps, stockings and other funds for nc fisherman and hunter recreations a man overheard our conversation and he asked if he could inform us on what was going on with nc funding for wildlife and fisheries,we agreed he stated that the department of nc wildlife operated in the blue and has for over 60 years but because of loans and funding to other departments of the nc goverment that it never has enough money to operate at 100%,our taxes that are generated thru sales from anything related to our sports and hobbies ,our boat registrations,hunting and fishing license,anything to do with camping,fishing or hunting taxes or money generated thru our sport is supposed to go to nc wildlife is being used to keep other aspects and funding for other departments that have nothing to do with nc wildlife this added up to about30% for funds back into nc wildlife and 70% to other departments in our state goverment up to and including studies from other departments on stop or limit hunting and fishing,gun ownership,long storie short we asked how he new these statistics ? he stated he worked for nc state wildlife funding projects and he gave us a webb site where we could look it up on how the money was divided between the different departments in the state and we did and he was right nc wildlife keeps all of the other state departments afloat ,wish I could remember the webb site if I can I will post it for all too see.

**slabinator** · 06-10-2013, 12:28 PM

No I don't work for wildlife. But I was at the meeting and I was paying attention. It was explained that it doesn't make economic good sense to spend much money trying to stock threadfin shad. They are hard to raise in hatcheries mainly because of predation by birds. They are very prolific breeders in the wild on their on and will quickly restock themselves after a fish kill. The relatively small amount of shad they can stock makes very little difference in a population of many millions of shad in Jordan Lake. They don't stock crappie because crappie are prolific breeders and quickly restock themselves also. There are plenty of crappie in Jordan Lake, they are small right now and their growth rate is slow because the shad haven't come back from the fish kill. All we need are a couple of years of no fish kills to allow the threadfins to come back thus increasing the crappie growth rate. The idea of changing the gene pool of the crappie population in Jordan Lake is ludicrous. You can't stock enough fish to have a significant impact on an existing population of millions of fish. Fisheries biologists sample fish populations to try and determine what type and how many are there. They use the results of their samples to try and improve the fishery by stocking and/or improving the habitat. They can't control the weather, pollution from upstream, criminals who don't obey limits or politicians. I still believe they are doing the best they can with the limited resources they have.

Originally Posted by sundance

You work for the wildlife?

No they don't do a good job. The proof is in their reaction to the issue. You can't tell me they don't already have the funding or resources to stock more threadfin. I bet they already have the funding/resources to stock more stripers. The excuse is always.... we need more money. I don't believe it. Prove me they are doing the best they can with what they've got. How about they stop spending money to "crunch the numbers" and actually put more into stockings? The way I understand it.... someone is choosing the put what where. It's not the legislators making that decision.

I have another great idea. How about a volunteer campaign? Maybe help with sampling and " crunching the numbers"!! I'd volunteer. I bet there many who would as well! When you get stuck in a good old endless government job..... well.... I'll stop there. I think it's time for new blood. From the legislators on down. That is just my worthless opinion.....

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