Reply With QuoteFrom a mechanic i will tell ya it takes twice as much ethanol to burn than it does Gasoline.And it is a pain in the a$$ to diagnose on problems related to it when your car is acting up.
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Crude would have to be less than $75 a barrel to be less than ethanol is currently selling for. Then you have refining and the profit to figure in for that same barrel. I don't think ethanol is the "silver bullet" but it is a start. There are lots of ethanol plants operating without government subsidies, and doing just fine. On top of that they are in part responsible for farmers seeing some of the best prices for their corn than they have ever seen. As far as food is concerned, lets take a box of corn flakes for example, @ $4 dollar corn thats about 7 cents per pound. So there is 7 cents of corn in a $3 dollar box of corn flakes..................
Take away the government subsidies on oil and see where we are at!
No disrespect meant to anyone, just my take on things.
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From a mechanic i will tell ya it takes twice as much ethanol to burn than it does Gasoline.And it is a pain in the a$$ to diagnose on problems related to it when your car is acting up.
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you got that right,,,Originally Posted by hogster
From a mechanic i will tell ya it takes twice as much ethanol to burn than it does Gasoline.And it is a pain in the a$$ to diagnose on problems related to it when your car is acting up.
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I'm not trying to convince anyone to think one way or another, but your statement about needing twice as much ethanol is just not true.
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It is true, however, that ethenol is 30% less efficient than gasoline.
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Sure it is.You Must not have ever worked on a car that has ethanol in it that isn't supposed to.Which happens all the time.They run really lean becuase ethanol doesn't have the ability to burn as well as gasoline in essence takes more ethanol to burn as efficient as Gasoline.Take some ethanol and some gasoline and pour a puddle of each on the ground and light them.The gas will burn twice as hot and completely gone where as ethanol will burn with a blue flame and leave an oily spot when it goes out.Where do you think that oily residue goes in your engine.Thats right it stays there and over time it builds up and you have a carbon problem,or injectors that don't flow right.
They should have done alittle more research and development on that stuff before releasing it to the consumer.But the greed of the Goverment and all the royalties they give so this crap can be put in use overrides common sense.
Then the consumer and i have to but heads becuase have to drain thier tank full out and put in good ole gasoline.
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This may be a stretch but someone needs to invent an engine that runs on those stupid a$$ big head carp that keep jumping in my boat when I'm on the river.
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jh_blount, it is true that ethanol contains less btu's per gallon than gasoline, and it is also true that you get less mpg than on 100% gas. On the other hand ethanol around here is cheaper.
hogster,it is apparent that we do not agree on use of ethanol, I respect that, however I do enjoy the spirited debate. Any and all vehicles that run on unleaded fuel can burn ethanol. It is only recommended at 10% for now but there is a lot of research going on with up to 30% with no modifications. On vehicles that are flex fuel E85 or any variation in between will burn just fine. I'm not sure how you figure alcohol will leave an oily spot? As far as carbon deposits, according to the molecular formula ethanol contains 2 carbon atoms, where as the bulk of typical gasoline consists of hydrocarbons with between 5 and 12 carbon atoms per molecule. Ethanol absolutely does not leave an oily residue when burned. It's alcohol, pure grain alcohol there is no oil in it.
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speckhunter,This may be a stretch but someone needs to invent an engine that runs on those stupid a$$ big head carp that keep jumping in my boat when I'm on the river.
I agree, had my first run in with these things a couple of weeks ago. We were on the river running trout lines and one came up out of the water and hit me. Scared the crap out of me.
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