D@*%. This thread started so good and again has gotten out of control. I'm sorry for stirring up a s&$! storm. From playing with both units in the store, they are both great. I like the detail of the Lowrnace better ( in my opinion) and was just wanting to know if the bugs had been worked out of the HDS units. I should have come up with a better title. This will be my last post to this thread.