Charlton Heston

[joejv4]

this mess that we got put in by this administration.

I'm sure the administration hypnotized the Senate to get a 77 - 23 vote, and the House to get a 296 - 133 vote.
And yes, there is a way out of "this mess". Squelch the insurgents long enough to get the new government stabilized to a point where they can handle things for themselves.

We leave too soon, and we only buy ourselves more trouble in the long run.

The things jeffnsa mentions above are real. I've been there and it's like taking a time machine into the 14th century. One of the great side effects of our presence there is providing to the people of Iraq the opportunity to join the 21st century. It takes time and effort to win over the hearts of people that have known nothing but oppression all their lives. Make no mistake, it is happening and the whole world will be better off with a free democratic state in the middle of the snake-pit we call the middle east.

Heck, We hadn't been in Iraq a whole month and there were protesters in the streets of Beirut with signs asking for us to please invade and liberate them. Quite possibly a sign of how the mentality over there has potential to change.

[Eager Beaver]

Senator Kennedy, I had no idea you were a member here!

Thank you I take that as a compliment. If you wanted to insult me You could have called me any number of Rep. Senators, you know the pedifiles and perverts. That you seem to idolize.

[deathb4disco]

Thank you I take that as a compliment. If you wanted to insult me You could have called me any number of Rep. Senators, you know the pedifiles and perverts. That you seem to idolize.

This is really great stuff. :D

Speaking of perverts, if you Google "waitress sandwich", you'll find some interesting reading on the subject.

And don't forget to Google "Chappaquiddick"!

[fishingpox]

What a pathetic post, running down your sons General. I would send all my concerns to this person....


http://speaker.house.gov/

like I would believe anything that comes out of this administration and their puppets. be tray us is more of an accurate name for him. That is the name he lives up to more. The surge never did work which we are finding out now. Our kids could have stayed home and Bush could have just sent a check to the insurgents and would have had the same results. Paying our enemies not to kill us. What a stratagy

[joejv4]

be tray us is more of an accurate name for him. That is the name he lives up to more. The surge never did work which we are finding out now.

What news have you been watching/reading/listening to??? The surge IS working. Even several of the Dems and the network news people have begrudgingly admitted it because to do otherwise hurts what little credibility they've managed to cling to. Adjusting troop levels and working the draw-down schedule to fit the situation in-country is the smart way to do things. Draw-down too much, too fast, and bad things will start to happen. The troop draw-down is a process. Like any effective process, you plan, act, evaluate, and adjust. That is exactly what is going on in Iraq today.

[jeffnsa]

here is the best question. have you ever been to that area of the world? talked to anyone from there? have you ever seen a woman stoned to death because she had the audacity to let a man other than her husband rape her. have you seen someone not bow the the clericks correctly and start to get beaten in the streets? i have, and untill you get all the info be carefull of what you say. it can make you look foolish.

[joejv4]

here is the best question. have you ever been to that area of the world? talked to anyone from there? have you ever seen a woman stoned to death because she had the audacity to let a man other than her husband rape her. have you seen someone not bow the the clericks correctly and start to get beaten in the streets? i have, and untill you get all the info be carefull of what you say. it can make you look foolish.

I'm hoping this is directed at Eager Beaver.... I've been to the middle east. Like you, I didn't like the way women were treated. They're in such a bad "time-warp" that to them, chivalry isn't dead, it hasn't even been born yet.

[Eager Beaver]

If you think the surge has worked than keep the blinders on guy's because you are about to get an education! The surge that you think is working is because we paid Sadr not to kill us. He has called for the US to either leave Iraq or at least have a time table for leaving. He gave them a certain amount of time and then he said they are going to start attacking the Geen Zone that the US is so proud of. There is no defense for a garilla(sp) warfare, the Russians found this out the hard way, and yet we rushed right in to the same mess as they had. The only way to win is to go in and bomb but we can't do that because of the fallout from it. Not nuclear fallout but political fallout. Just us being there is creating more terrorists every day that we are in their country. Just the very thought of us being there insites them. If we had, had an intelligent leader at the time of us going into Iraq, We would have had another form of government ready to take over and run the country in the interuum until the country could have collected themselves and elected their own candidates to run the country. We should have waited to get the support from other world leaders before going ahead with the invastion. After we took Bagdad, we should have secured the City and infrastructure from looter and theives, but our soldiers just sat by and watched as the museums and all government buildings were looted and destroyed. Firing the Iraqi army and letting them leave with there guns was another fiasco. They later became the ones that were fighting us. This has been one disaster after another and the problems are still continuing. We need to get out now and save the lives of our soldiers.

[deathb4disco]

It's hard to know where to begin.

If you think the surge has worked than keep the blinders on guy's because you are about to get an education! The surge that you think is working is because we paid Sadr not to kill us. He has called for the US to either leave Iraq or at least have a time table for leaving. He gave them a certain amount of time and then he said they are going to start attacking the Geen Zone that the US is so proud of. There is no defense for a garilla(sp) warfare, the Russians found this out the hard way, and yet we rushed right in to the same mess as they had.

First of all, if anybody knows how to handle Iraq, it's General Petraeus. He literally wrote the book on counter-insurgency. If you think Sadr and his penny-ante goon squad is any match for US forces, you are mistaken. As Gen. Petraeus said the other day, "We have our teeth in al-Qaeda's jugular, and we need to keep them there."

If we had, had an intelligent leader at the time of us going into Iraq, We would have had another form of government ready to take over and run the country in the interuum until the country could have collected themselves and elected their own candidates to run the country.

That's EXACTLY what we did. It was called the Provisional Authority.

We need to get out now and save the lives of our soldiers.

If we get out now, our enemies will take it as a retreat (just like in Somalia, which was what caused bin Laden to refer to the US as a "paper tiger".)