Hey man....I know this prolly won't help you out....I was on Norman today trolling for striper and caught a 12.5 and a 14 inch crappie near the mouth of the little cut through beside the island at Stumpy.....bout 20ft deep in over 40ft of water.......Near a ball of bait........When I try to catch crappie I can't....So I try for striper to catch crappie.....just a lil backwards for me........lol