Ok, I got an answer on this from somewhere else, they are the same. I haven't fished it yet but to me it is the cats meow. It has a black thread in the center which I really think was smart, and there is some green mylar mixed in there, I know from using the minner color that those green highlights really sparkle when they are in the water. I need some of grandpa bobs size 2 also as the size 3 from crazy is really full and could even be used on a 1/8 head.