if this wind ever dies down here in illinois andi can get out im gonna try trolling them by the dam up here and see what happens. will try a few techniques to see what and what wont work. these work good too. they are like 1 ounce to 1-1/2 ounce road runner type lures. great for trolling or if you have to cast a mile to get to fish likei have to do at the spillway up here