ok guys, this is the way i look at it. there must be something to that about turning the shoes up. i went out there yesterday and turned it like you all said to turn it. day before yesterday id told ot id go fishing with him last night. he called in the afternoon to verify we was going and i had a gut feeling and told him, ot, i think ill hang loose tonight and cancel. well we had a real frog strangling downpour around 10 pm. :D now instead of sittin out there on the lake in a mess like that i was home, snug as a bug in a rug. yep, my luck has turned around already......:D