I have posed this question on here before and gotten some good info, but I still consider myself a beginner, but after fishing with fisher-o-men, I believe the stained water is a big factor in the process. Wasn't doing much different when I tried it myself, but William put us on them in the stained water. Curly tails, sliders and road runners were the ticket. I can cast jigs and catch em, but try trolling through them in clear water and don't catch much. Just my 2 cents worth.