good post thier ship. thats excatly what i am going to be doing. is rasing my own wigglers. you cant find them in ths city at a decent price. they range from any were 4.50 to over 6.00 bucks for them wigglers. and like you said baite shops are not someties opened when you want to go fishing like on sundays. oh and about the coffee the grounds thing, talk to you local starbucks mgr. they usually reclye them but some of them will give them to you for free. i am lucky on that part we have a starbucks in the store were i work and i can get them for free i have all ready asked the mgr thier and she said yes.