Thank you for the directions Bigsky. I don't know about the dock fishing, I may try it sometime but more than likely if I come over I would bring the boat, like I do that a lot....LOL. My folks had a Resort on Grand in the mid 70's and early 80's and it had a heated fishing dock and an outside dock also so I know about the sporadic bites. Had a couple of retired gentleman when I was a kid that use to come over everyday and crappie fish, that's where I learned from, needless to say I was down there everyday. I probably should just go to the docks, that's what I'm use to, I haven't ever learned how to read my fish finder and chase crappie in a boat so maybe that's why I don't go out much in it, plus being by myself just isn't much fun. Were you out in a float tube Sun at the dam? I saw somebody in one and saw in a previous post that you do that occasionally. Do you live over that way?