Thread: Nuclear Attack On America?

Thanks for your reply and an interesting read. It appears that your acknowledgement of how panic can lead to chaos reinforces the need for preparation.

I'm reading a new book and I want to share some details of this interesting read:

"The inhabitants of these wild but wealthy valleys are of many tribes, but of similar character and condition. The abundant crops which a warm sun and copious rains raise from a fertile soil, support a numerous population in a state of warlike leisure. Except at the times of sowing and of harvest, a continual state of feud and strife prevails throughout the land. Tribe wars with tribe. The people of one valley fight with those of the next. To the quarrels of communities are added the combats of individuals. Khan assails khan, each supported by his retainers. Every tribesman has a blood feud with his neighbor. Every man's hand is against the other, and all against the stranger."

This book is not the cause for me to pen this thread, but it played a part as well as other bits of information I have been studying during this long hot summer while holed up under the air conditioner.

"More than a century ago, when Britain's empire was at its height, the colonial British couldn't control any more than Pakistan can today the lawless, violent tribal areas that comprise the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

In 1897, Winston Churchill was a 23-year-old journalist attached for about six weeks to the Malakand Field Force in the Swat Valley as Britain fought rebellious Pashtun, or Pathan, tribesmen in the region -- at the time, the northwest frontier of British India. Churchill sent dispatches to The Daily Telegraph about the brutal campaign, writing vividly and engagingly about the land and the warlike nature of its tribes "where every man is a soldier." The letters were incorporated into Churchill's first book, The Story of the Malakand Field Force: An Episode of Frontier War (1898). Here is an excerpt from the first chapter."

FRONTLINE: return of the taliban: tribal areas: winston churchill on the tribal territories | PBS

I recently completed another book concerning this hotbed of activity in the mountains of Afghanistan, "War" by Sebastian Junger, the same author that wrote "A Perfect Storm" later made into a movie starring George Clooney.

The first book mentioned above was written more than a century ago and the descriptions of the indigenous peoples that inhabit those tribal areas are almost identical to the description given by Junger in his book.

It tells me those people are not going to be changed or motivated by any means to become tranquil and become part of the community of civilized people. They're living in the stone age and quite content to continue their way of life which sadly, is death. Death has no meaning to them. They have no respect for life, not even their own. And I'm not talking about suicide bombers, I'm speaking about a large population of people living in those mountains that know no other life besides constant fighting, war, feuds, and death.

So, as long as those people inhabit that area, the Taliban and other terrorists, mainly Al Queda will have a foothold in that region and will not disappear.

We pull out our troops, that country will dissolve into the same type of country it was before we invaded. Nothing has really changed, only a temporary cessitation of them being able to plan and carry out attacks around the globe from Afghanistan.

So, we will pull out, eventually. Maybe next year, maybe in 3 or even 10 years, but we will leave that land. Afterwards, it will fall and we'll find ourselves waiting on the next attack.

As I stated at the beginning of this post, Pakistan could fall and with it, the nukes in their stockpile. Then its only a matter of time. The terrorists can make mistake after mistake, we only have to make one.

My intention was not to alarm anyone in this forum, but to promote or stimulate people to be aware that being prepared might make the difference in short term survival of not only yourself, but family members. Family members that depend on you to care for them.

I'm just now making a few short term plans myself and intend on having a family meeting in the next 30 days or so to begin making plans for my entire family. If nothing else, at least establish a means for us to all be on the same page if some disaster occurs.

We have no guarantee of being able to communicate with our loved ones if an attack were to happen.

I wondered if I went out on a limb when I decided to share my thoughts regarding this topic and made the decision it was better for me to share than not to speak up. So, really it doesn't makes two whoops in a briar patch to me if someone finds this all too silly to be realistic.

The bottom line for me is I hope, I truly hope from my heart that none of us ever have to experience what I fear may happen.

I'll just drive up to Canada and spend a few months fishing for Walleye and Northern Pike. I don't believe the extremists hate the Canadians, yet.

Originally Posted by rigrunner(236)

Stink, I have a solar powered water pump on my farm that pumps 1000 gallons or more a day (it don't have to have full sun to pump). It's pumping from 95 ft deep. So the solar water pump would be a good investment, with a water well. My 2 cents.

Thanks for your input RR, appreciate you and lipripper getting in along with the others. I'm hoping a few more will share some ideas and thoughts.

I found a youtube video explaining the process of curing ham. Pretty interesting and I think I could do this.

Thanks again and Marv, make room for me to go with you to Canada if necessary.

I will submit this: Since 9-11 we have lost alot of things legislated away from us by the elected ones. No terrorist's have managed to do that! Bin Ladin if they wanted him that badly could have EASILY been taken down. Do any of you remember Jesse Ventura's "Conspiracy Theory" TV show? Wonder what happened to it??? They have pushed through a number of things on fear. If you want the real news watch "Democracy Now" with host Amy Goodman, on 9415 Dish network. Think I'm crazy? Google up Youtube....type a search on Greg Palast.com investigative reporter for the BBC, They wont even air him on the mainstream corporate controlled media. Our problems dont lie with these other countries....it's right here folks.

Originally Posted by The Lip RIPPERS

I will submit this: Since 9-11 we have lost alot of things legislated away from us by the elected ones. No terrorist's have managed to do that! Bin Ladin if they wanted him that badly could have EASILY been taken down. Do any of you remember Jesse Ventura's "Conspiracy Theory" TV show? Wonder what happened to it??? They have pushed through a number of things on fear. If you want the real news watch "Democracy Now" with host Amy Goodman, on 9415 Dish network. Think I'm crazy? Google up Youtube....type a search on Greg Palast.com investigative reporter for the BBC, They wont even air him on the mainstream corporate controlled media. Our problems dont lie with these other countries....it's right here folks.

I agree 100%, LR!!!

My experience these last few years with various speakers that have theories related to anything from the attacks on 9/11 to the Triad running the world has been to never take any of it too seriously. Not disregarding it as fiction, but not accepting it as fact either.

But anyone with a lick of common sense knows that things on this ol earth are volatile and nothing can be ruled out at this point in history.

I've just got a gut feeling that folks need to do a little preparation in case things go sour and go sour fast.

Everyone can take a few precautions and store away some essentials to get you and your family through a couple of weeks of rough times without spending an arm and a leg.

I plan to use one of those upright metal cabinets to store things like rice, beans, shortening, salt, and other dry goods to eat. Maybe a ham or two, some beef jerky, and even some smoked fish if I can figure out how to do it.

I ate so many ramen noodles when I was going to college that I just don't have a taste for them anymore, but I figure a case of them (they're cheap) might come in handy.

If anyone else has any ideas, please share.

Wow Stink, you have to get out more often!!

Seriously, I find it humorous that so many people in the Poll believe they would be ready for such a disaster. People just don't know what they're in for if the SHTF.

I lived just outside of Houston in a rural area during Hurricane Ike. Even though we had a 7 to 10 day warning (longer if you stop to realize that the Gulf Coast is a Hurricane target), many folks did not get out and get the necessities even though they knew this monster was coming. Most of those that did, didn't get near enough.

In our area, we were 19 days without electricity. Some were without electric for longer, some were only out of power for a week.

The Government is so large, the earliest they could mobilize relief centers and get them set up was nearly a week. The first relief centers went to high population centers like certain parts of the City and then in the suburbs...the high end suburbs first. Those in the poorer sections of the County had to wait over a week for a relief center to be set up.

Can you imagine none of the convenience stores in your area having gas or groceries? With no electric, gas pumps, coolers and freezers don't work. Even those stores that had generators had no gas because no deliveries could be made. When a few did reopen after a week, the site was something to see. Lines of people standing along the highway with gas cans in their hands. Cars backed up for miles. State Troopers stationed at the gas pumps rationing out gas 10 gallons per person.

Some of these people waited 8 hours in line just for two cans of gas!

People were getting into fights at the relief centers. Most Centers gave out a case of bottled water and a bag of ice at first. Then a few had MRE's later on. You can't really imagine anyone fighting over a case of bottled water and a bag of ice until you see it happen!

The quickest relief our area received was not from Uncle Sam or the Red Cross, it was from religious organizations such as the Southern Baptist. I don't know where they got all the food and water, but in our area of the County they were quite literally life savers. They had a center opened two or three days after the storm went through.

As usual, you had many people, and not only the low income folks, hollering that the Government wasn't doing enough. Rich people get bent out of shape when they get hungry also!

We always try to keep extra food in the house. Before the storm hit, we added quite a bit to the pantry and made it okay. Since I didn't have a generator, we ate like Kings the first few days trying to eat everything in the Freezers before it went bad.

The grocery stores in the area ran out of food fast. After about a week, the larger ones like Wal-Mart and Krogers opened a few hours each day, but I'm not sure why. Can you imagine Reasors or a Wal-Mart Supercenter having bare shelves? I've seen it and it isn't a pretty sight. I remember when we were let in, about the only canned goods Wal-Mart had was Campbell's Red Beans and Rice. I thought that was funny. Even when hungry, people have their limits as to what they'll eat!

Cell phone communications was spotty as their generators can only run so long before they too need fuel. So don't think you're going to be a chatty Cathy if the lights go out.

The price of many things went through the roof. I called as far away as Dallas looking for a generator 2 days before the storm hit and couldn't find one. Afterwards, people came into the area from out of state with cheap generators and were selling them in parking lots and along the side of the road. A cheap Chinese generator that you could have bought for 300 bucks before the storm now cost you $2000.

I actually enjoyed the peace and quiet. The downside was at night you fell asleep to the drone of numerous generators of your neighbors! I actually was a little sad when the power finally did come back on. My Wife on the other hand wasn't. It was 11 p.m. at night and she was asleep. I was listening to the radio in the Living Room when it came on and she jumped up and turned on the TV! Boy, how she missed that TV!

Since that time, I've taken emergency preparedness a little more serious.

Stink, meat can be canned just like veggies. There are a number of good canning books out there now, Ball's Blue Book is one of them.

Being prepared and putting back food isn't hard nor is it expensive. For starters, just buy extra canned and dried goods (such as beans, rice, etc) each time you go to the store. Buy the stuff you eat. I always look at the "best by" date. I want something that last for at least 2 years. Remember to rotate your stock out. First in, first out.

Storage is the big thing. Probably the best thing is to turn an extra closet into a storage pantry. You may think it's a big inconvenience to store food, but trust me, it'll be an even bigger one not having food!

Water will be a huge necessity that people don't take serious enough. Without electric, there'll be no municipal or county water service. You can store a few days of water but you should also look into a water filter such as the Berkey.

I could go on. I just realized how long this post was! Sorry!

Here are some resources you need to look into when you get serious about emergency preparedness.

A few good emergency preparedness and survival blogs:

Survival Preparedness Blog

Survivalist Blog

Here's some books you can read that will open your eyes and help you get prepared. Just look 'em up on Amazon.

"When All Hell Breaks Loose" by Cody Lundin - I highly recommend this book for anyone!

"When Technology Fails" by Mathew Stein

"Putting Food By" by Ruth Hertzburg - Another "must read" book if you're serious about being prepared

Once you get the basics down, then you can start getting hardcore by storing wheat and other grains. No power? No problem. Lehmans has hand operated grain mills and other such things to help you out.

Lehmans Non Electric Catalog

Hope this helps Stink!

Thanks Don, I read every word with interest and wish you had written more. So, it wasn't too long at all. Also, thanks for the links and references, I will incorporate them into my info bag.

I drove over to Ada yesterday and helped my son with his new room addition. He poured the slab for the basement and it measures 16x16 with an 8 feet ceiling. One corner is dedicated to a small storage area. He has a water well and a 220v generator. Cattle, sheep, goats, chickens and one mule.

Everything I prepare here will be light and easily transportable because I plan on "bugging-out" if an emergency arises.

I've seen this acroynm used in some of those survival forums: WTSHTF and know what it stands for. Like I said earlier in this thread, those folks get plum radical with all ideas and plans. If I didn't know better, I would think some of them are looking forward to some major disaster.

Thanks again Don and if you come up with anything else, please share.