Sorry about your bad luck, bdavis. I caught a few up the little river with minnows 3-5' under a bobber around overhanging willow trees and submerged timber. I could have cleaned up pretty well if I'd brought more minnows but I wasn't expecting to find them in such shallow water. I was also followed by a very curious great horned owl so if you get up there around dusk keep an eye out and you'll probably spot him.