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    [QUOTE=Flatwater;986225]Yes Dong, I am the 12 generation living in the same place. QUOTE]

    Flatwater, In the early 60s while at NAS Norfolk I watched a lot of great HS football games...Great Bridge & Norview were 2 of my favorites..I haven't heard either team mentioned in years...Have you folks consolidated and renamed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LBM View Post
    This from WikiAnswers - Did the founding fathers want democracy for all

    "Did the founding fathers want democracy for all?
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    As evidenced by the Federalists Papers, most of the founders wanted America to be a democracy. But, the fears of some, that democracy would turn into mob rule caused them to ultimately create a representative republic which, having some aspects of democracy, was the next best thing. And, the founders didn't intend for everyone to participate in governance, since only white property owners were then considered to be citizens.

    Democracy is a political system in which the true will of the majority of the governed becomes the supreme law of the land.

    This sounds great, until we realize it means that 51% of the population decides how the other 49% live. Thomas Jefferson, for one, detested democracy for this reason, because it invariably devolved into tyrannical rule and subjugation of individual freedoms of the few by the many. It also negates the concept of individual rights, replacing it with the slippery idea of government-supplied 'privileges' in favor of the "common good". The word 'democracy' is not mentioned anywhere in the Declaration of Independence or US Constitution.

    A constitutional republic, on the other hand, recognizes that rights are inalienable (i.e., they come from God and not Man) and thus cannot be revoked save by due process of law. For example, the US constitution did not create our rights but rather affirmed them. In a republic, the primary purpose of government is to protect the inalienable rights of life, liberty and property for its citizens.

    As elegant as these ideals were, the Founding Fathers were products of their generation. Women, children, and the landless had few if any rights. When they spoke of rights "for all men" they were referring to all, typically white European, land owners, aka 'free holders'. Several of the founders owned slaves, most famously Benjamin Franklin.

    Nevertheless, these men established an enlightened form of government whose powers were narrowly defined. Government was specifically limited to a handful of finite responsibilities. This was to prohibit those with power from immediately beginning to expand upon it and thus encroach on individual freedom. The Founders were so concerned that power would be usurped from the States (and by the extension, from the people themselves), that they drafted the first ten amendments (AKA Bill of Rights) to specify the unalterable rights never to be modified or limited by any future government of the Republic. Recent history will demonstrate whether this still holds true.

    Unfortunately, the gradual transformation of our nation from a constitutional republic to that of a simple majority democracy has led many Americans to believe it was "meant to be that way". This is no doubt why the Founders specifically required that the President swear a solemn oath "to protect and defend the constitution from all enemies, foreign or domestic." It was, and continues to be, the single most important responsibility of any US leader.

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    Thanks LBM.

    Folks seem to have forgotten that we (America) are a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Waters View Post

    Why would I argue about those things to start with? I don't remember reading anythything about those in this thread. That is the kind of thing I feel like the parties are doing, turning arguments into these kinds of things like Freedom vs. slavery, so that you have to decide. Either you are in, or you are out. That kind of stuff is driving me crazy. "you can't be a true conservitive if you think ......., or whatever"
    Again I take you back to your statement from your earlier post "Has everyone really gone that crazy as to not be able to see good in both sides on an argument? " and ask you just which argument you were talking about?

    For me fundamentally the argument is about should there be less government or more government and why one is preferable over the other. I think that is of the utmost importance for this country and our well being as to which course should be followed and something that should be openly and vigorously be discussed. If one sees bigger government as evil and detrimental to mans life and liberty then for me I can't possibly see any good for more government. Less government equals good and more government equals evil and with any compromise or acceptance of evil invariably mean evil wins. Just trying to give my reasons for my views. Just wished more here would lay out their reasons for their expressed views. For me the reasons are more interesting that their actual views.
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    well, LBM. I don't mind discussing at all. Matter of fact, you are the kind of person I like having discussions with. I always like to think I am not so hard headed as to have my mind changed, or a change of heart. But some fundmental things can't be changed. Healthy discussions is what I say. Or that was the point I was tryin to make.

    I really wasn't trying to point out any discussion really. I guess I was just voicing my disgust in a society hell bent on arguing. Most of the time, over the silliest things. Stuff that doesn't mean a hill of beans. I am not talking about taxes, healthcare bills. I am talking about arguments that once started out about taxes and healthcare, that turn into who knows what. Name calling, fact bending, and lines drawn in the sand.

    I like facts. I like history and comparisons to today's time. I loved what CP posted about TN healthcare. Great reading and important material our political leaders need to read. I just wish they would have.

    However, taking parts of truths and creating news out of thin air like Keith Oberman and Glenn Beck. Those two are the same people. I like to think of them as drama queens who are crisis oriented. If there isn't a crisis, they will create one.

    I too think less government is good. Getting control of our spending would be good. This healthcare bill should not be passed simply because its all we got, and secondly for all the crap attached to it for all the other special interests. OH that just burns me up.

    However back to my statement about helping people. I think it is a responsibility as a human being to help people. Help them the correct way, of course. Taking what is not yours to help someone is theft, no matter how you look at it. However, if I have the means to help you when you are in need, I will. Now, some of my conservitive freinds think that is a liberal way of thinking, and I don't.

    What if you could jump back 100 years ago and walk around and talk to people about the issues of today. How would they respond to our delimas as a nation? I wonder how people would think about our politics today if some key people in the media were not around to tell them what they should think? Food for thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pescatore View Post
    YOU owe it to yourselves to take a look at this. It's getting a lot of play.

    YouTube - America Rising: An Open Letter to Democrat Politicians
    I think the orginal link is not good but think this link is good.

    YouTube - America Rising An Open Letter to Democrat Politicians

    Think this link was posted elsewhere but fits in here very well and I found it rather pleasant to my tin ear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eager Beaver View Post
    Yes I can see where that boogey man would scare the heck out of a lot of people. EB
    I don't see him as a "boogeyman." There you go again, making those assumptions. Some people never learn.


    As to your more recent posts, how can you proclaim your devout Chrstianity while sitting in judgement over those who disagree with you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eager Beaver View Post
    yep!
    The new Black Panthers must gonna be in force at the polls the next time around, since the current Administration allows them to intimidate the voters.
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    Thumbs up Thankks LBM & David Waters:::

    Excellent reading & debate....

    As I stated in my post on another thread, there are a couple of things that I will not support from any man or Party...

    Abortion & Homosexuality::I will not go against God's word regardless of what man or Party supports ..It is a simple thing for me to decide where my vote goes and like most people nowadays it is against someone & not for someone.

    So, I don't have to wade through long bills or listen to long speeches about who is doing what for me....Very simple process, Do not go against God's word.

    Now, with this being said ,I will follow the guidelines set forth by Ed and do my "off topic" posting on the other "off topic" board..
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    uhhhh, there is another off topic board? oooops, sorry edd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. Crappie Stalker View Post
    As to your more recent posts, how can you proclaim your devout Chrstianity while sitting in judgement over those who disagree with you?
    I don't sit in judgement over anyone, that is up to the Lord to judge. EB
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