got out with buckwheat1 this am, man first run was an eye opener and then they froze shut, ended up fishing some 10' fow and finding them and a lot came from on the drop, fished till about 11 and had maybe 3 limits, but only kept 15 nice eaters for a friend of bucks......didn't take any pics, quite sure the camera is still frozen...... black/chart carrot stick was a hummin........broke the tip off of a new rod Hardhunter2 had given me sunday, but got 7 extra tip sections so no biggie..... I know hardhunter never hurt any rod he used...... he barley breaks them in.......RoflRofl