put in at devils step about 1 or 1:30 fished docks 50 fow with no luck but there was a guy putting in the same time i did and left when i did 4:30 gave me 10 fish about 16 lb or better he said he fished docks 50 fow he said he has been wearing them out and that he only fish's for crappie in the winter the rest of the he fish's for bass