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    Quote Originally Posted by sliderman View Post
    If I am understanding you correctly, there is not a problem with the system. I'll give a brief description of how the system works and let you decide.

    By design, from a full down position (neg. trim angle), to perhaps 15* of positive "up" angle, the hydraulics work (and hold) at a high pressure value that is needed in order to "trim" the motor while under a heavy work load. As the ram extends beyond this point, a relief valve in the system is exposed and allows the system to bleed down (at a lower pressure value) until the valve is no longer exposed. This portion of the system is referred to as the tilt function.
    With that being said, if you trim the motor above the "trim" circuit while idling around and then apply throttle, the motor will over-ride the 'tilt' circuit and come to rest at the top of the "trim" circuit.

    Not everyone is familiar with how the system works and it's not uncommon for owners to believe that something is wrong when it happens. As you can see, someone chimed in describing the same thing.
    Got an idea about what you are saying, but if you go look at the parts list on this motor, I can't see where there is a relief valve on the piston or in the side wall. it pumps fluid in to raise the motor up, so if I have it up and then it goes down on its on, then something is leaking by, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Countryboy N.C. View Post
    Got an idea about what you are saying, but if you go look at the parts list on this motor, I can't see where there is a relief valve on the piston or in the side wall. it pumps fluid in to raise the motor up, so if I have it up and then it goes down on its on, then something is leaking by, right?
    There are check valves in the piston that are there for excessive pressure relief purposes. The little holes in the piston on the diagram are where they are located. They are not available for purchase separately and are not pointed out. The relief valve in the 'tilt' circuit is in the valve body. It's channeled through one of the ridges that run up along the side of cylinder. In the cylinder wall is a small hole that opens into that circuit. Once the piston rises to the point that fluid can access that circuit, you loose the ability to hold high pressure. Which means you're at the top of the 'trim' point. If you were to raise the motor beyond that point while idling around and then apply the throttle, the motor should drop to the top of the trim position. If it's dropping down below that, then yes, there is something not right with the system.
    From my experience, one of two things usually bring about trouble with the hydraulic side of the system. Either a high speed impact has caused a spike in working pressure and damaged a seal, o-ring or check valve. Or prolonged use of the system has worn the cylinder wall down and cast fine metal shavings into the system which usually leads to the check valves not seating properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sliderman View Post
    There are check valves in the piston that are there for excessive pressure relief purposes. The little holes in the piston on the diagram are where they are located. They are not available for purchase separately and are not pointed out. The relief valve in the 'tilt' circuit is in the valve body. It's channeled through one of the ridges that run up along the side of cylinder. In the cylinder wall is a small hole that opens into that circuit. Once the piston rises to the point that fluid can access that circuit, you loose the ability to hold high pressure. Which means you're at the top of the 'trim' point. If you were to raise the motor beyond that point while idling around and then apply the throttle, the motor should drop to the top of the trim position. If it's dropping down below that, then yes, there is something not right with the system.
    From my experience, one of two things usually bring about trouble with the hydraulic side of the system. Either a high speed impact has caused a spike in working pressure and damaged a seal, o-ring or check valve. Or prolonged use of the system has worn the cylinder wall down and cast fine metal shavings into the system which usually leads to the check valves not seating properly.
    Thanks, I see what you are saying, I'll change the o rings first, if that dont fix the problem then I'l move to the check valve.

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    The item between the two #2 sealing rings in the diagram is called a memory cup. If the seal on the memory cup is failing, it will cause the symptoms you described.
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