This thread is the reason I like this group of fishermen on this site.
Like Lawhwead said
frank lawhead--- VV68 I,d say you have done some homework wish I had that kind of patience ---
Well you just learned without patience and so did I. How many hours on the water do you think all of us have together.. whew can't count that high and type too! Keep up the good work guys and thank you all for taking the time to share what works for you. I throw my .02 in when I can, but I have learned so much more than I could ever contribute. It has made my fishing trips more FUN and productive.