I went out this weekend to sink some Christmas trees that I picked up from along side of the roads. Boy! it takes more weight to sink one of those things than I was counting on. I wound up having to drag them from the middle of the river along side of the boat to the bank and cut them in half in order to get them to the bottom. Im new at this reef build thing, but with the help and info from this great web site I will make it. Had fun anyway. Mitch