Crappiekiller 3 Have you seen Buds Hellgramite Lures. Buds Hayes a crappie guide out of Clarkevill VA makes them 3 sizes bass crapie gills In Dec. of 07 i went on a trip with him at kerr res caught our share of crappie casting his hellgramite over brush piles . he has all colors in the crappie size i got white and color my own with Spike It Scent Markers or you can use Sharpie Permanent Markers more colors .I Have some E mAIL ME . I will send you some to see