Thanks guys. I've crappie fished a few times with bobbers & minnows & have also fished with strictly a jig or jig minnow combo. I figure if i can catch crappie offshore with electronics like i'm wanting it may also help my vertical fishing with electronics for bass too. I figure crappie fishing would be a good change of pace until the night bite for striper & bass kicks in & who knows i may end up strictly a full-time perch jerker too.