Reasons why lead should not be banned

[TDHcrappiemaster]

I understand why they banned lead shot for waterfowl hunting is because the ducks and geese would pick up the lead shot that was lying on the bottom of the shallow water lake or river thinking it was gravel.
Then they would get it in thier gizzard and die from the toxins.
But to ban the use of lead for fishing is just plain stupid!!!!
They have no reason in the world to present such a stupid law.

Thats my opinion anyway!
Tom
Home - Hoosier Crappie and Catfish Guide Service Indiana

[FishinGeek]

I know nothing about the markets for raw metals, but the website metalprices.com lists the per-pound price of lead at $0.91 and tin at $9.71.
Those round-headed unpainted lead jigs that now retail for $0.10 apiece will cost at least $1.00 if made of tin.

Here is 1 lb of Tin for sale on Amazon.com

Amazon.com: TIN-1-lb.-Ingot-99+%-Pure: Industrial & Scientific

$14.99 / lb
That's $21.77 w/ shipping for 1 lb of tin.

Assuming 1/16 oz jigheads, you can make 256 jig heads out of 1 lb of tin.

$21.77/256 = .085 (9 cents) per jig... (metal cost, not including jig hooks, etc)

And here's 1 lb of Lead on Amazon.com

Amazon.com: LEAD-Ingot-Pure-99.9%: Industrial & Scientific

$1.89/lb
$9.59 w/ shipping for 1 lb of lead.

$9.59/256 = .037 (4 cents) per jig... (metal cost, not including jig hooks, etc)

[GCD]

Here is 1 lb of Tin for sale on Amazon.com

Amazon.com: TIN-1-lb.-Ingot-99+%-Pure: Industrial & Scientific

$14.99 / lb
That's $21.77 w/ shipping for 1 lb of tin.

Assuming 1/16 oz jigheads, you can make 256 jig heads out of 1 lb of tin.

$21.77/256 = .085 (9 cents) per jig... (metal cost, not including jig hooks, etc)

And here's 1 lb of Lead on Amazon.com

Amazon.com: LEAD-Ingot-Pure-99.9%: Industrial & Scientific

$1.89/lb
$9.59 w/ shipping for 1 lb of lead.

$9.59/256 = .037 (4 cents) per jig... (metal cost, not including jig hooks, etc)

There's better prices and free shipping elsewhere.

I posted this in another thread, but will post it here too.

As I mentioned in another thread there's tin, and there's also bismuth.

Tin melts at 450*F, you can buy it here:
TIN Ingot form 99.8+%- Pure

Bismuth melts at 520*F, and it can be purchased here:
Pure Bismuth Ingot from Rotometals

There's also antimony, but it melts at 1166*F and may not be feasible for conventional lead melting furnaces. You can buy it here:
Antimony

All of these materials are much more expensive than lead per pound, but by being considerably lighter than lead you will get more jigs per pound... but your jigs will be lighter and you may need to increase the size of them.

I for one will be stocking up on lead, and if lead is outlawed... this outlaw will be fishing with lead!

.. btw, you can buy lead at Rotometals too. They have great service and free shipping if you buy a large enough quantity... I like the "Hardball" mix for my jigs.

[crappiedoc]

[QUOTE=crappie josh;1252379]lead returns to its natural state in a very short time

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!!! Your right, as it encrusts or oxidizes it just
becomes elemental Pb. When Pb has a 2,3,4 it's combined with something else
and these are generally acids used to create an atmoshere or solution in
which the reaction can evolve. Some chemicals include chlorine and others
used in the water treatment process. Wiki has an excellent def. on lead.
Petrolem chemicals and by-products also have this "cross-linking" capability.

[Uncle Grump]

There are many folks who use lead to make tackle to save money - me included. It will hurt if the price of materials go up - and it will - especially when there are no (legal)material alternatives....if you hunt - look at what has happened to the price of shot shells for waterfowling....

This will also impact small tackle manufacturers - how many people on this site and others, like TU will be impacted? The economy is in a rut, and many folks - individuals and small businessmen/women are just scrapping by.

I also suspect that larger tackle manufacturers will also be impacted - as many still make their product w/ lead. If lead is eliminated, the price go's up, sales go down, people will get laid off - more un-employment.

I know hunters pay a excise tax on hunting gear - Pitman/Robertson tax. Fisherman pay in the same tax or similar one - so if sales of tackle drop, tax moneys also drop.

I need to verify the Pitman/Robertson fund on fishing gear.

UG

[Fatman]

Uncle Grump

I posted this in another thread but it's spot on with what you said.

Was on the Cast Boolit site (Reloading) and one of the guys there made the following statement:

"My understanding (from something I read about this in the last couple of days is that the EPA can't regulate anything that is "excise taxed", therefore ammo can't be regulated by them. That said, if I recall correctly, all fishing tackle is also taxed for Pitman-Robertson, so they shouldn't have any jurisdiction over sinkers, either."

Now I've been searching all day and havent' found anything comfirming this but I'll keep looking.

Fatman

[Uncle Grump]

The Pittman Robertson Act covers the hunting side of the Federal Excise taxes - guns, ammo and releated.

FEDERAL AID IN WILDLIFE RESTORATION ACT (PITTMAN-ROBERTSON ACT): Summary from Federal Wildlife Laws Handbook

The Dingell Johnson Act covers sport fishing.

FEDERAL AID IN SPORT FISH RESTORATION ACT (DINGELL-JOHNSON ACT): Summary from Federal Wildlife Laws Handbook

The funding is described as a sales tax, not an excise tax. Here's the verbage:

Sport Fish Restoration Account. The provisions of this Act are funded through the Sport Fish Restoration Account, which is part of the Aquatic Resources Trust Fund created by the Wallop-Breaux amendments in 1984 and described in 26 U.S.C. § 9504. As explained in 26 U.S.C. §§ 9504 and 4161, the Account consists of sales tax on sport fishing equipment (including fishing rods, reels, lines, hooks; artificial lures, baits and flies; and fishing supplies and accessories), electric outboard motors and sonar fish-finding devices, and import duties on fishing tackle and yachts and pleasure craft. Congress authorized the amounts received by the Sport Fish Restoration Account to be appropriated for carrying out the Act. § 777b.

UG

[wisheniwasfishen]

what about the hundreds of jig heads i already bought and paid for what am i suppose to do with them?

[Corker]

what about the hundreds of jig heads i already bought and paid for what am i suppose to do with them?

Sounds like you already have the meat of a comment letter! One of the underlying premises the tree huggers cite in their petition is the volume of lead tackle sold is a good measure of the volume of lead dumped into the environment. This totally ignores the stockpiles of jigs and other tackle items that fishermen purchase and never use.

[split handle]

Yup. I don't bust off many jig heads where I fish, but I own easily 3000 jig heads. Many head styles, many different combinations of head weights and hook sizes, accumulated over three decades. Some of them are prerigged in plastics, ready to go, most are in the bags.

And that doesn't count lures that incorporate lead into the bodies, like Roostertail spinners, or the many kinds and sizes of sinkers I have acquired.

The argument that the volume of lead fishing gear sold reflects the amount left on the bottom of lakes and rivers ignores not only our accumulation of diverse stockpiles but also the effect of innovation. Take drop shot sinkers with incorporated swivels and line clips--no telling how many tons of those have been bought by anglers who already own pounds of split shot, bullet weights, and egg sinkers.

If it became illegal to use lead-containing fishing tackle, a lot more would be taken than the monetary value of the items. There is no way to repay the hundreds of hours I have spent over the years researching the merits of the various lead-containing products I bought, shopping for availability and best price, driving across town to make purchases, and so on. Many of the products are no longer manufactured at all, and would not be available in some alternative form if lead lures were outlawed. So banning lead lures would make waste of many hours of my life, and the thought of that ticks me off big time.