They are way off the banks in 16 -22 feet of water. Use curly tail grub in dark color. Most of the ones I caught yesterday and today were over submerged brush about 35 feet from the bank at 18 feet. I fished with 1/16 and just slowly reeled off the bottom between 2 of us we caught 60 today from 7am till 12pm only keeping 8 since most were small.