Which rod can cast extremely light lures the farthest?

**MtnFisher** · 06-28-2023, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by gillchaser999

Iâ€™ve read the articles, and on casting rods I can see it being an advantage.
Micro guides on the last third of a spinning rod will help with distance, but a lot of the JDM rods I own have smaller stripper guides and I think they hinder casting distance , depending on the diameter of the spool of the reel used .
Large diameter spools need the coils to gradually taper into the guides . If the coils are larger than the stripper guide they are slamming into the guide , being squeezed into it , slowing down the line speed .
Iâ€™ve tried several rods and reel combinations.
With light lures , you donâ€™t have the power to pull big coils through small stripper guides .

I get what you are saying but a smaller diameter and slick braid line won't have much coils coming off the spool and that's what micro guides were designed to do, minimize coils. I did some test casting last winter with a 1/32 oz jig and a couple of my JDM rods with micro guides. The Berkley X9 6lb with. 003 diameter performed real well. I'm sure one of the JDM small diameter lines would work even better but I'm fishing for large trout and not pan fish so I'm sticking with Berkley X9. I do use line conditioner which seems to help. Micro guides do seem to be the real deal, I'll leave my trust in the Japanese rod engineers.

Making sense of micro guides - Bassmaster

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**gillchaser999** · 06-28-2023, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by MtnFisher

Making sense of micro guides - Bassmaster

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I read the article and this one line stood out to me the most “ Tied to the end of the line was a standard 3/8-ounce casting plug. “
Try that with 1g lure and I believe you’ll get different results .
More weight pulling on the line , straightens the line so it glides through the micro guides .
With lightweight lures , you don’t have the weight to straighten the line , so you need a gradual reduction in guide size to allows the coils to unwind.
Larger stripper guides allow the line coils to freely pass through the first few guides as what little weight of the lure straightens out the coils .
Whe the microwave guides came out , my opinion was they’ll be great on a medium or medium light rod casting a 1/4 ounce or heavier lure , but with a lighter lure the coils will jam up at the first guide . A gimmick IMO .

**MtnFisher** · 06-28-2023, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by gillchaser999

Whe the microwave guides came out , my opinion was they’ll be great on a medium or medium light rod casting a 1/4 ounce or heavier lure , but with a lighter lure the coils will jam up at the first guide . A gimmick IMO .

No jamming of coils at all. Even the Leland TSS rod has a micro guides and is designed to cast light lures. Pictured is the bottom guide on my TSS rod. Not a gimmick. Name: 20230628_192313.jpg
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**gillchaser999** · 06-28-2023, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by MtnFisher

No jamming of coils at all. Even the Leland TSS rod has a micro guides and is designed to cast light lures. Pictured is the bottom guide on my TSS rod. Not a gimmick. Name: 20230628_192313.jpg
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It all depends on what’s the definition of “light lures “ .
A Trout Magnet and body weighs around 1/32nd ounce . I’m talking about lure weights 1/32 and less .
I know what I’ve cast .
I don’t have a TSS , but I do have the TCB , along with about 100+ other ultralight and light rods from 4’6” to 9’.
And I know what has cast the farthest for me .
I’m going to leave it at that .

**SuperDave336** · 06-29-2023, 04:48 AM

Found video on this subject online.

**gillchaser999** · 06-29-2023, 06:16 AM

Thanks Dave for the video.
I’m a subscriber to his channel and have watched this particular video a couple of times .
His advice is a start .
At the beginning, He’s casting a 1/64 jighead and plastic body , total around 1/32 ounce and getting around 40’ .
When I’m casting, using what I’ve found I’m casting similar lures out to 60-65’ .
In the end of his video , he changes to a 1/16 ounce jig and larger body so he can “ get out there “ .

He is right that one of the most important things in casting light lures is line diameter .
I feel I’ve taken my experimenting a bit farther and with my methods my lures are goin a bit farther too .

**UpstateSC_Bill** · 06-29-2023, 06:45 AM

Well let me ask a dumb question since I really enjoy proving my ignorance. Looking at the micro guide in that picture it is mounted inside of what would be a normal sized stripper guide on an ultra light rod. What is the purpose of that configuration? Why not just mount the micro guide attached directly to the guide foot?

**Ketchn** · 06-29-2023, 06:59 AM

shallow spool , rigid rod , micro line and it will sing a 1/64 a country mile if the caster knows how to cast ...
it aint about the money or the maker of the equipment , its about the specs on the hardware and the operator ....just a quick fyi ......and when you really get to slinging it WAY out there ....
remember this part ,,,,,GEORGE GEORGE < GEORGE of the jungle ....
WATCH OUT for that TREE !

**Alphahawk** · 06-29-2023, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by UpstateSC_Bill

Well let me ask a dumb question since I really enjoy proving my ignorance. Looking at the micro guide in that picture it is mounted inside of what would be a normal sized stripper guide on an ultra light rod. What is the purpose of that configuration? Why not just mount the micro guide attached directly to the guide foot?

That is a design that reduces line slap and give you more casting distance....in theory. Having owned this very same rod...and others like it...to include 2 custom built rods with that system....it does not give you any appreciable casting distance. It does reduce line slap but that's about it.

Regards

**UpstateSC_Bill** · 06-29-2023, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by Alphahawk

That is a design that reduces line slap and give you more casting distance....in theory. Having owned this very same rod...and others like it...to include 2 custom built rods with that system....it does not give you any appreciable casting distance. It does reduce line slap but that's about it.

Regards

OK. I understand the notion of reducing line slap in order to improve casting distance. Whether it works or not is open to question I guess. But it is the micro guide mounted inside of a seemingly normal sized stripper guide. I don't see how that way of designing the guide accomplishes anything. Why not just mount the micro guide directly to the guide foot? It would seem to accomplish the same thing without the added weight of the outside ring. I hope I am explaining myself clearly. Old guy here who is admittedly not up to date on the latest designs.

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