Sorry if my post came across wrong there, it was a little late when I did it. Terry has it nailed on the brush piles right now. If you can use Chatt's Kentucky rig and get right down in them you can get some solid fish. The bigger fish are toward the base of the pile and the smaller fish hangeout up top a little more. Minnows fished around the edge of the pile can produce some nice fish. We tried tree dipping Sunday and didn't get much at all but it will also be a good method shortly. Most of my keepers have been coming out of 15 to 18 ft of water 12 to 15 ft down on minnows. Wiper bite hsa been really good trolling cranks and shassy shad at almost every lake that has them.