thanks guys. I think I remember on another thread someone said tractor supply handles them. there's one not too far from me. tell me more how the amazin' pan deal works. sounds like I might get one but how easy are they/it to hook up or whatever you have to do to put it in the smoker. one mentioned a 30 inch size. what size is the best? and crushing the charcoal up sounds like something I'd like to do.