CJ WATER TEMPS AND FISHING THREAD!

[jab]

He loves it, and he's still in school...so I'm happy with both results!
I'm getting alot of compliments on mine at work..
Thanks again buddy!

Glad to hear it!

[flatheadking06]

March 7th sounds good!

[INTIMIDATOR]

March 7th, "Fishermen's Breakfast", Cracker Barrel, Exit 54 off I70, Springfield....8am!
So far...
Me (Brent), Doc (Tim), Jab (Jeff), Downtime (Paul), Flathead King (Jeremiah)....everyone is welcome!

[Lange]

Hey Doc ... Yes, the White Allen show is Sat. I think the hrs are 10-4 (or so) - fish fry starts at 11. Hope to see some of the CJ gang there!

Anybody else want to hookup at this thing Saturday, I'm off work so I might just go

Doc

[flatheadking06]

Anybody else want to hookup at this thing Saturday, I'm off work so I might just go

Doc

I'd go but I will be on coyote control this weekend. Lots of dogs that need put in check around the farms

[INTIMIDATOR]

I'd go but I will be on coyote control this weekend. Lots of dogs that need put in check around the farms

The 'yote poulation is growing for a reason...once things equalize, so will the population...man, just continues to mess up the balance that Mother Nature has in place...if we left things alone and quit trying to play God, we would be better off!
Don't let you young children run the "back 40" alone, keep you pets inside at night and not running free, keep you chickens in protected coops at night, bring your livestock in and get trained flock dogs (like in the old days).
Then leave things alone to re-balance...we have too many deer, too many rodents (coons, groundhogs, vols, rabbits, etc), too many feral animals, and too many idiots that are too lazy to take minimal precautions, because it would take a few extra minutes of their time. But then they'll spend hours upon hours spending time away from the families, killing predators that are needed to equalize things, because deer and rodents are cute, and 'yotes are destroying the farmers livelihood!lol It's been proven that deer, rodents, etc, cause more damage to farmers income than anything else, so the basis for farmers "Predator Killing" is false!
And I know what I'm talking about, I was born and raised in South Chuck and live out in the County! But that's just my opinion and "everybody has one"!
Dale and I watched 40 deer last night cut through my backyard, out looking for food! I killed 22 coons last summer that were destroying my gardens, etc, over 30 squirrels, 15 'hogs, countless mice, on my little 2 acres across from a woods...that's just because they are way too many...and the damn farmers in the area keep killing the predators...amazing!
There, that's my rant for the day!

[INTIMIDATOR]

Anybody else want to hookup at this thing Saturday, I'm off work so I might just go

Doc

I'll ride shotgun with you! Is Daniel off?

[flatheadking06]

The 'yote poulation is growing for a reason...once things equalize, so will the population...man, just continues to mess up the balance that Mother Nature has in place...if we left things alone and quit trying to play God, we would be better off!
Don't let you young children run the "back 40" alone, keep you pets inside at night and not running free, keep you chickens in protected coops at night, bring your livestock in and get trained flock dogs (like in the old days).
Then leave things alone to re-balance...we have too many deer, too many rodents (coons, groundhogs, vols, rabbits, etc), too many feral animals, and too many idiots that are too lazy to take minimal precautions, because it would take a few extra minutes of their time. But then they'll spend hours upon hours spending time away from the families, killing predators that are needed to equalize things, because deer and rodents are cute, and 'yotes are destroying the farmers livelihood!lol It's been proven that deer, rodents, etc, cause more damage to farmers income than anything else, so the basis for farmers "Predator Killing" is false!
And I know what I'm talking about, I was born and raised in South Chuck and live out in the County! But that's just my opinion and "everybody has one"!
Dale and I watched 40 deer last night cut through my backyard, out looking for food! I killed 22 coons last summer that were destroying my gardens, etc, over 30 squirrels, 15 'hogs, countless mice, on my little 2 acres across from a woods...that's just because they are way too many...and the damn farmers in the area keep killing the predators...amazing!
There, that's my rant for the day!

I agree things are WAY out of balance but until the DNR can set regulations to stop destroying the deer population coyotes and other predators will continue to become a problem. The deer kill was considerably down this year from recent years, and yes there are many things that can contribute to that other than just the sheer number of deer werent there, but if you listen to the state biologist, they want the deer herd cut, so the state can grow "trophy bucks" HOG WASH! The reason you see 40 deer a night is because they feel safe in that area. No hunting pressure, no hunters, no one to bother them. People enjoy watching them so there is no fear. Why leave the comfort of food, shelter, and no enemies. Then look at a 100 acre farm that gets hunting pressure, if not done correctly with scent control and precautions as to not drive the deer out, you can ruin tht land and see only a handful of deer the entire season. Whats happening is deer are relocating to areas or are in areas where it's heavily populated by people, there is no hunting allowed and those are the ones who are claiming deer are over populated. I remeber as a kid being able to drive down grant rd and count at least 100 deer an evening. You are lucky to see 20 on a good night. The numbers just arent there.

So with that in mind, as ethical hunters, we need to reduce the coyote/varmint/predator population so the little balance that lingers doesnt completely drop off. Besides man, coyotes are the #1 reason for deer and turkey decline. A coyote can hurt a deer herd in the spring with killing a fawn a day. Same goes for turkeys with the poult in the spring. And if you think about it, if the deer arent there for them to feed naturally on, you are going to have the predation on livestock and pets. But then you have to look at the flip side also, yes there are lots of stupid people in this world, living in the county with coyotes around, you dont leave chickens outnof a coop at night, and you dont leave your pets in the back 40, but most often then not, this is occuring in areas where the deer arent there.

As you stated its all about balance, and until the state can regain that balance with the deer herd then the predators are going unchecked, so I will do my part on my hunting grounds to keep that little balance so we dont find a woods full of dogs.

[INTIMIDATOR]

Jeremiah, you and I are friends, thanks for the Adult conversation and discussion, I feel as friends we can discuss things even if we differ on some things!
I think you are correct on most all of your statements...you are correct the State can balance the deer population by increasing tags, etc, and by opening up land...deer are not on Grant road anymore, because they are on the east side of CJ where no hunting is allowed, last time Dale and I went out to check the ice, there were 3 different herds from the Marina, back into the campgrounds, they all move into the fields in the summer, when they are safe...'Yotes, cull the young and Old deer until the herds are in balance, then female 'yotes have fewer pups, or the families are culled by nature. Right now they are producing extra pups due to the OVER ABUNDANCE of Prey. They Prey has just moved to safer areas and the predators have followed!
Just out in my area, there are over 20 herds of deer, from Rt 72 to Rt 68 (East and West) from I70 to the Clark/Greene border...and all of this land is no hunting. I have had 14 Turkeys at a time feeding in my backyard bird feeders.
Animals like humans, pretty much know where they are safe...the reason for the infestation my area, is that all the land IS NO HUNTING and all the farmers hunt predators, because "they are bad"!
Once everything becomes STABLE again, the 'yote population will cull itself...this ALWAYS HAPPENS in Nature! WE (Man) ruin the balance by trying to play God, instead of letting it play out!

Had someone ask me why we play God at CJ....CJ was a MAN-MADE lake that was designed by idiots with no foresight! So instead of just having a bowl that held water and had massive swings in the fishery, a bunch of fishermen, did their best to improve a fishery that the State botched in the beginning. And we did it to benefit the whole dang fishery and everyone, not just to make honey holes! WE WORKED WITH NATURE TO HELP BALANCE CJ...NOT AGAINST IT!

[cjpolecat]

I agree things are WAY out of balance but until the DNR can set regulations to stop destroying the deer population coyotes and other predators will continue to become a problem. The deer kill was considerably down this year from recent years, and yes there are many things that can contribute to that other than just the sheer number of deer werent there, but if you listen to the state biologist, they want the deer herd cut, so the state can grow "trophy bucks" HOG WASH! The reason you see 40 deer a night is because they feel safe in that area. No hunting pressure, no hunters, no one to bother them. People enjoy watching them so there is no fear. Why leave the comfort of food, shelter, and no enemies. Then look at a 100 acre farm that gets hunting pressure, if not done correctly with scent control and precautions as to not drive the deer out, you can ruin tht land and see only a handful of deer the entire season. Whats happening is deer are relocating to areas or are in areas where it's heavily populated by people, there is no hunting allowed and those are the ones who are claiming deer are over populated. I remeber as a kid being able to drive down grant rd and count at least 100 deer an evening. You are lucky to see 20 on a good night. The numbers just arent there.

So with that in mind, as ethical hunters, we need to reduce the coyote/varmint/predator population so the little balance that lingers doesnt completely drop off. Besides man, coyotes are the #1 reason for deer and turkey decline. A coyote can hurt a deer herd in the spring with killing a fawn a day. Same goes for turkeys with the poult in the spring. And if you think about it, if the deer arent there for them to feed naturally on, you are going to have the predation on livestock and pets. But then you have to look at the flip side also, yes there are lots of stupid people in this world, living in the county with coyotes around, you dont leave chickens outnof a coop at night, and you dont leave your pets in the back 40, but most often then not, this is occuring in areas where the deer arent there.

As you stated its all about balance, and until the state can regain that balance with the deer herd then the predators are going unchecked, so I will do my part on my hunting grounds to keep that little balance so we dont find a woods full of dogs.

The Insurance compnys want the deerherd reduced. My thoughts just for laughs. CjP