Well I have read enough replies to the kind of batter, and it looks like Andy's wins so I got to try it, I called Orscheln in Sedalia and they carry it, so as soon as this freezing rain and snow quits I will go get some and try it. It is for damn sure I will have to thaw out a bag of my stach, no chance of fresh ones with Truman still with 2 and 3" hard water........