Pushing out the front of boat

I would love some input on pushing jigs instead of double minnow rigs.
I have doing that for years and would like to try different methods.
Do I just suspend a light jig about 12-18 inches below whatever egg sinker weight I decide is appropriate for the speed and depth I’m fishing?Roadrunners with same type weight setup?
Relative question, but is it just as productive?
I have way too many jigs and plastic that is never used.
Tip with crappie nibbles and soak with slab sauce I guess?
I have Livescope and to be honest, don’t really care for vertical fishing so I’ve learned to use it for pushing.
I hate casting. Did that for way too many years chasing the green fish.
Thanks in advance for any input.
Chuck


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Personally I use inline trolling sinkers with barrel swivels on each end of it to prevent line twist. Use 1/2 to 3/4 oz. as I usually stay below 0.5 trolling. I have made up jigs (like PICO bunny butts or 1/32 to 1/16 scope eye jigs) with 12-18 inch line attached to jig and install a small swivel on other end to attach to the sinker barrel swivel. Quick change outs to other colors or types. I use slab and garlic and actually put the juice in an empty nibbles jar and just dip my jigs, less messy that way and the bunny butts or hair jigs really hold the scent along time.

Productive wise. I've had days that jigs out-fish minnows and vise versa. I still use both minnow rigs and the jigs, as I think it's a hard decision or at least it was for me not to solely use minnows if you have always used them and usually catch at least a few fish on every trip.

Will be interested to hear how other folks set-up for jigs or plastics.

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Chuck ... when I'm Pushing jigs out the front of my boat, I'm using a max of 4 rods ... each with 1oz trolling sinkers and 18" leader lines, and I run the boat at about 1mph. I use line counter reels so I can quickly get my jigs back to whatever depth I want. I use the right triangle theory to put those jigs at the desired depth .... basically: for every 5ft of line below the surface, the jig will be 3ft deep if the angle of the line is approx. 45deg. Mine usually aren't at 45deg, but that lets me err on the side of being a little shallower than what the mathematic formula dictates. I'm actually calculating the depth in my head by multiplying the length of line out by 0.6 to get a little more accurate depth. So if I have 30ft of line out, the jig will be close to 18ft deep if my lines were at a 45deg angle .... or with 20ft of line out the jig would be about 12ft deep. (20x0.6=12)

If you have a trolling motor that has variable speed control, you can maintain a steady speed. I don't, so my speeds vary from 0.7mph to 1.2mph (depending on wind/waves) ... so my math/depth calculations can fluctuate, which is why I err on the shallow side of the line angle.

I started out using barrel sinkers on the main line with a bead & duo-loc clip .... but went to trolling sinkers and duo-loc clips so I could more easily change weights if need be. I did try the Capps/Coleman rigging, where you wrap the leader line several times thru the barrel sinker, but found out real quick that you lose the weight along with the jig, a lot of times, when you hang up & break off.

My main lines are either 20# mono or 30# braid ... and my leaders are usually 6# mono. :twocents

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Originally Posted by CrappiePappy

Chuck ... when I'm Pushing jigs out the front of my boat, I'm using a max of 4 rods ... each with 1oz trolling sinkers and 18" leader lines, and I run the boat at about 1mph. I use line counter reels so I can quickly get my jigs back to whatever depth I want. I use the right triangle theory to put those jigs at the desired depth .... basically: for every 5ft of line below the surface, the jig will be 3ft deep if the angle of the line is approx. 45deg. Mine usually aren't at 45deg, but that lets me err on the side of being a little shallower than what the mathematic formula dictates. I'm actually calculating the depth in my head by multiplying the length of line out by 0.6 to get a little more accurate depth. So if I have 30ft of line out, the jig will be close to 18ft deep if my lines were at a 45deg angle .... or with 20ft of line out the jig would be about 12ft deep. (20x0.6=12)

If you have a trolling motor that has variable speed control, you can maintain a steady speed. I don't, so my speeds vary from 0.7mph to 1.2mph (depending on wind/waves) ... so my math/depth calculations can fluctuate, which is why I err on the shallow side of the line angle.

I started out using barrel sinkers on the main line with a bead & duo-loc clip .... but went to trolling sinkers and duo-loc clips so I could more easily change weights if need be. I did try the Capps/Coleman rigging, where you wrap the leader line several times thru the barrel sinker, but found out real quick that you lose the weight along with the jig, a lot of times, when you hang up & break off.

My main lines are either 20# mono or 30# braid ... and my leaders are usually 6# mono. :twocents

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CrappyPappy,
Thanks for the info.
I have always pushed in the .2-.4 mph range. Figured jigs would be the same. I do run an Ultrex so I can be precise or close with my speed.
So you push jigs faster with heavier weight?
Thanks
Chuck.


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I have some buddies that speed troll with B&M 18' Pow-R-Trollers pushing road runners and crank baits with 3 oz weights between 1.5 & almost 2 mph and have pretty good luck. Not me, I have enough trouble hanging up and recovering at less that 0.5 with multiple rods.

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I have some buddies that speed troll with B&M 18' Pow-R-Trollers pushing road runners and crank baits with 3 oz weights between 1.5 & almost 2 mph and have pretty good luck. Not me, I have enough trouble hanging up and recovering at less that 0.5 with multiple rods.

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They aren’t fishing areas with much cover I bet. Must be out in open water.


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Originally Posted by Chuck Adams

CrappyPappy,
Thanks for the info.
I have always pushed in the .2-.4 mph range. Figured jigs would be the same. I do run an Ultrex so I can be precise or close with my speed.
So you push jigs faster with heavier weight?
Thanks
Chuck.


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I started Pushing with 1/2oz barrel sinkers & level wind reels for jigs & cranks .... but since I've moved up from 7-10ft rods to 14ft rods with line counter reels, I've gone to 1oz for jigs & 2oz for cranks. I just started going at 1mph as that's the speed that most of my Pushing mentors use for jigs. They go 1.8mph for cranks, but I'd have to have a calm day to maintain that speed with my trolling motor ... and "calm days" just ain't in the cards for Pappy !! Heck, I can't even move from one side of the lake to the other without the wind following me :bash

I generally run 8 poles out the front. Usually a 1/8 oz jig 18in below a 1/4 to 1/2 egg sinker. Jig tipped with a minnow or a nibble. More times than not a minnow.

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Originally Posted by Pirogue

I generally run 8 poles out the front. Usually a 1/8 oz jig 18in below a 1/4 to 1/2 egg sinker. Jig tipped with a minnow or a nibble. More times than not a minnow.

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I would like to get away from minnows at some point but I probably never will.
Just like some people only use jigs for bluegill. I always take crickets and red worms.
Guess growing up using live bait has ruined me. I have so many jigs and plastic that I Never use so I thought I would try them.
Glad I figured out how to use my Livescope for pushing because I just don’t care much for single pole jigging.


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Originally Posted by Chuck Adams

I would like to get away from minnows at some point but I probably never will.
Just like some people only use jigs for bluegill. I always take crickets and red worms.
Guess growing up using live bait has ruined me. I have so many jigs and plastic that I Never use so I thought I would try them.
Glad I figured out how to use my Livescope for pushing because I just don’t care much for single pole jigging.


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For many years now I have been spider rigging with the double hook rigs. I use a 1/2 oz. egg sinker in the middle. On the bottom hook I use a road runner style jig head 1/16th. oz. that I make myself and put different types and colors of plastic's on them. On the top hook I still use a minnow hook. I bait both hooks with a live shiner. This setup doesn't work for everyone but it works for me. In the last 2 weeks I have won 2 tournaments on my local lake. I do not have Livescope but almost every boat I beat was using it. Hope you get it figured out.

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Originally Posted by RogerA

For many years now I have been spider rigging with the double hook rigs. I use a 1/2 oz. egg sinker in the middle. On the bottom hook I use a road runner style jig head 1/16th. oz. that I make myself and put different types and colors of plastic's on them. On the top hook I still use a minnow hook. I bait both hooks with a live shiner. This setup doesn't work for everyone but it works for me. In the last 2 weeks I have won 2 tournaments on my local lake. I do not have Livescope but almost every boat I beat was using it. Hope you get it figured out.

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Are your rigs set up with a 3 way swivel like a Capps and Coleman rig?
Top hook tied to main line? Hook at top size?
You fish braid on main line with mono for rig?
I usually move at .2 or so mph. Faster?
Thanks for the info.
Chuck


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Chuck, I do use the 3 way swivel like a Capps and Coleman rig. I don't lock the egg sinker in place but instead tie a straight swivel on to stop it. I like to let it slide up and down the line.

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down here in Texas pushing out the front of the boat sometimes occurs accidently and sometimes not so much . depends on your attitude and them darn mind of their own spot lock trolling motors ....just saying :Rofl

Chuck if I can help you with more info send me a private message.

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Chuck, I do use the 3 way swivel like a Capps and Coleman rig. I don't lock the egg sinker in place but instead tie a straight swivel on to stop it. I like to let it slide up and down the line.

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Originally Posted by Chuck Adams

I would love some input on pushing jigs instead of double minnow rigs.
I have doing that for years and would like to try different methods.
Do I just suspend a light jig about 12-18 inches below whatever egg sinker weight I decide is appropriate for the speed and depth I’m fishing?Roadrunners with same type weight setup?
Relative question, but is it just as productive?
I have way too many jigs and plastic that is never used.
Tip with crappie nibbles and soak with slab sauce I guess?
I have Livescope and to be honest, don’t really care for vertical fishing so I’ve learned to use it for pushing.
I hate casting. Did that for way too many years chasing the green fish.
Thanks in advance for any input.
Chuck


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I’m with you 100%, I refuse to cast and I’ve become somewhat one dimensional in my older age. My rig is very simple and I use the heaviest jig I can get away with, I’ve been using 1/4oz heads and a 1/4 oz egg about a foot or so above the bait. I tip mine with a minnow and slow troll. Maybe I’m spider rigging, maybe I’m pushing 8 baits through the column, I don’t really know or care about the technicalities. Next time you fish taylorsville holler at me, them fish like me out there.


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I’m with you 100%, I refuse to cast and I’ve become somewhat one dimensional in my older age. My rig is very simple and I use the heaviest jig I can get away with, I’ve been using 1/4oz heads and a 1/4 oz egg about a foot or so above the bait. I tip mine with a minnow and slow troll. Maybe I’m spider rigging, maybe I’m pushing 8 baits through the column, I don’t really know or care about the technicalities. Next time you fish taylorsville holler at me, them fish like me out there.


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I’ll be back in the saddle again soon. Been down in the back for about a month. Chiropractor cut me down to 1 time a week today. Hope I still remember how to operate my Livescope. Lol
Thanks


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I have pushed for several years and I use a double jig rig. I started out using a 3 way swivel but soon done a way with it. Was to much trouble to fool with. I tie a loop knot on both jigs and use a 1oz egg sinker in the middle of the jig heads. I just run the line through the egg sinker 3 time so it will not slip. I use 6lb line and never had a problem with the line breaking at the sinker.. Unless I am pushing in 1 to 10 fow and then I use 2 1/4oz jig head both tied with a loop knot about 6" apart....I use a 16' poles and sometimes a 20' pole in front of the trolling motor. I use heavy sinkers and jigs heads because I go faster than most.