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Today I ordered a Daiwa Iprimi 5’ 6” XXUL solid tip Area trout rod from Finesse Fishing. I have owned an Iprimi before.....I gave it to a young man to introduce him to UL angling. It was the 6’ 6” UL model. The rod was very limber so I can only imagine what the XXUL will be like. I never really gave the Iprimi a chance as I was disappointed in the sensitivity. I plan to pair it up with a Ballistic FW 1000 spooled with some 2.3# test ester and use the Daiwa Gekkabijin 1/2 gram jig heads with a Trout Magnet. The Iprimi is a very well built rod and looks good also. March-April below Nickajack produces tons of bluegill in the 7-8 inch range. This rod should give me a ton of fun. But I really wanted it for dog days of summer when the tailrace has a lot of 5-6 inch bluegill. If I’m unable to locate and catch the usual Spots and crappie I can always save the day with 5 inch bluegill....but with this setup it will be a lot more entertaining. I am also thinking of maybe getting some 1.5# test ester to make it even more sporting.....plus to gain some more casting distance with the 1/2 gram jig heads. It will also be an excuse to order some 1/2 gram spoons from Chris. Hoping all my plans for this year come to fruition....I have set the bar high to get maximum pleasure out of 2021. So far for the times I have been able to fish it is going well.

Regards


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2020 was a disaster for my fishing, partially due to COVID and partially to other things. I plan to rectify that in 2021 by taking advantage of some of the smaller fish in local ponds. My seiryu rod will be perfect for small gills.

https://www.crappie.com/crappie/panf...dm-telescopic/

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Originally Posted by deathb4disco

2020 was a disaster for my fishing, partially due to COVID and partially to other things. I plan to rectify that in 2021 by taking advantage of some of the smaller fish in local ponds. My seiryu rod will be perfect for small gills.

https://www.crappie.com/crappie/panf...dm-telescopic/

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Those rods are nice. They have to be a ton of fun.

Regards


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Originally Posted by Alphahawk

Those rods are nice. They have to be a ton of fun.

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Love it for small fish.

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Today I ordered a Daiwa Iprimi 5’ 6” XXUL solid tip Area trout rod from Finesse Fishing.

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I wouldn't mind adding an Area and a Stream trout rod to my quiver. ;)

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Originally Posted by deathb4disco

I wouldn't mind adding an Area and a Stream trout rod to my quiver. ;)

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I was dead set against ever getting a stream rod...but now I’m so glad I did. Opens up a whole new style of fishing for me. Used the Spectra at Normandy today to catch a few trout on the Forrest Abalone spoon.

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I was dead set against ever getting a stream rod...but now I’m so glad I did. Opens up a whole new style of fishing for me. Used the Spectra at Normandy today to catch a few trout on the Forrest Abalone spoon.

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I have almost zero experience with a spoon. Maybe I should experiment. I think you have said in other threads that the Japanese believe spoons are more sporting (but still very effective) on trout.

Last summer , the water heated up and the PFA lake I was spending time at after my shooting range visits with my rimfires , I used a 2wt fiberglass flyrod to catch small gills as I walked the bank .
Using tiny flies I’d tied up on size 14, 16, and some 18 hooks , I had a fun time just trying to hook them .
Even these little guys put a nice bend in the fiberglass rod .

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Originally Posted by deathb4disco

2020 was a disaster for my fishing, partially due to COVID and partially to other things. I plan to rectify that in 2021 by taking advantage of some of the smaller fish in local ponds. My seiryu rod will be perfect for small gills.

https://www.crappie.com/crappie/panf...dm-telescopic/

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You can say that again! Goodbye and good riddance to last year. I’m looking forward to a much better 2021, but I still have to get my vaccine. Still, I have my game plan for some great stream fishing.
Bob
PS The link you had awhile back for wagglers was very good and informative.:HandsClapping
B

Looking forward to your exploits Randy.
To really hijack this thread, it's hard to admit DBD was on the cutting edge of fishing revolution with his telescopic pole.
Capps and Coleman, a renowned crappie fishing team has found themselves left in the dust by the use of single pole livescope fishing.
They revealed last week that they have been practicing using JDM telescopic rods to single pole jig.
One uses a 16 footer, and one uses a 20 foot to stay further away from fish. They marvel at how light, senstive and well made the JDM rods were. They replaced the end section, described as thin as a hair, with a section of a BnM pole to keep from breaking the tip.
The price was around $599 each according to the duo.

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Looking forward to your exploits Randy.
To really hijack this thread, it's hard to admit DBD was on the cutting edge of fishing revolution with his telescopic pole.
Capps and Coleman, a renowned crappie fishing team has found themselves left in the dust by the use of single pole livescope fishing.
They revealed last week that they have been practicing using JDM telescopic rods to single pole jig.
One uses a 16 footer, and one uses a 20 foot to stay further away from fish. They marvel at how light, senstive and well made the JDM rods were. They replaced the end section, described as thin as a hair, with a section of a BnM pole to keep from breaking the tip.
The price was around $599 each according to the duo.

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I have been wondering if pro crappie anglers would ever discovery the sensitivity of JDM rods. But of course they all use long rods. Do you have a link to an article or something that they talk about this? Really curious as to what type rod they have selected.


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I was mistaken on the length of the longer rod, as evidenced by the title of this interview.
27 Foot Crappie Rods and All Kinds of Other Secrets, Straight From The Mouth of Ronnie Capps - YouTube

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I have a 6'6" Imprimi also and don't care for the action much, reminds me of the buggy whip type ultralight rods of the 80's Eagleclaw. I only used it a hand full of times. Thinking about selling it.

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I have been wondering if pro crappie anglers would ever discovery the sensitivity of JDM rods. But of course they all use long rods. Do you have a link to an article or something that they talk about this? Really curious as to what type rod they have selected.

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I listened to the link above, and it sounds like keiryu or possibly herabuna.

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I was mistaken on the length of the longer rod, as evidenced by the title of this interview.
27 Foot Crappie Rods and All Kinds of Other Secrets, Straight From The Mouth of Ronnie Capps - YouTube

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"Pole talk" starts at the 22 minute mark.

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Originally Posted by slowhand

I was mistaken on the length of the longer rod, as evidenced by the title of this interview.
27 Foot Crappie Rods and All Kinds of Other Secrets, Straight From The Mouth of Ronnie Capps - YouTube

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The way he's fishing it (breaking it down every time he hooks a fish and then extending it again) is not the way those poles were intended to be fished. It's obviously working for him, but that's gotta wear down the joints a lot faster.

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Originally Posted by slowhand

I was mistaken on the length of the longer rod, as evidenced by the title of this interview.
27 Foot Crappie Rods and All Kinds of Other Secrets, Straight From The Mouth of Ronnie Capps - YouTube

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I've got him beat. 27' is short. :biggrin

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PS The link you had awhile back for wagglers was very good and informative.:HandsClapping
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That is a good site. Glad it helped.

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Originally Posted by deathb4disco

I listened to the link above, and it sounds like keiryu or possibly herabuna.

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I thought the same. I watched a video of a British guy fishing with a Japanese angler in Japan using those to catch a very tiny fish. The rods used in that video were at the 1,500 dollar mark. One thing for sure....some crappie tourney anglers are going to try some of those rods.

Regards

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I was mistaken on the length of the longer rod, as evidenced by the title of this interview.
27 Foot Crappie Rods and All Kinds of Other Secrets, Straight From The Mouth of Ronnie Capps - YouTube

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Looking forward to watching/listening to this later. Heard a little here at work.

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One thing for sure....some crappie tourney anglers are going to try some of those rods.

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Yep, and when some guy wins a tournament with one, the flood gates will open. ;)

Bye, Bye - 2020. I am so ready for a great year.

Back to the original post about the rod, looking at the specs it does seem like a fun rod. With a butt (base) diameter of only 6mm it should feel very light and delicate in the hand. A new Shimano Vanquish or Daiwa Airty 1000 would mount nicely on that stick....:biggrin

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Back to the original post about the rod, looking at the specs it does seem like a fun rod. With a butt (base) diameter of only 6mm it should feel very light and delicate in the hand. A new Shimano Vanquish or Daiwa Airty 1000 would mount nicely on that stick....:biggrin

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You are right Stan. The rains are supposedly coming in about 5 days so the Normandy and Nickajack tailrace will be unfishable. But I can make the drove to VFW where this time of year the 6-7 inch bluegill move up shallow on sunny days. This rod will be perfect for that...giving me a lot of fun. As to a new reel...not sure on that yet....LOL. An acquaintance of mine just got a new Airity 2500 FC S....it is the compact frame version....he really likes it.


Regards

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Today I ordered a Daiwa Iprimi 5’ 6” XXUL solid tip Area trout rod from Finesse Fishing. I have owned an Iprimi before.....I gave it to a young man to introduce him to UL angling. It was the 6’ 6” UL model. The rod was very limber so I can only imagine what the XXUL will be like. I never really gave the Iprimi a chance as I was disappointed in the sensitivity. I plan to pair it up with a Ballistic FW 1000 spooled with some 2.3# test ester and use the Daiwa Gekkabijin 1/2 gram jig heads with a Trout Magnet. The Iprimi is a very well built rod and looks good also. March-April below Nickajack produces tons of bluegill in the 7-8 inch range. This rod should give me a ton of fun. But I really wanted it for dog days of summer when the tailrace has a lot of 5-6 inch bluegill. If I’m unable to locate and catch the usual Spots and crappie I can always save the day with 5 inch bluegill....but with this setup it will be a lot more entertaining. I am also thinking of maybe getting some 1.5# test ester to make it even more sporting.....plus to gain some more casting distance with the 1/2 gram jig heads. It will also be an excuse to order some 1/2 gram spoons from Chris. Hoping all my plans for this year come to fruition....I have set the bar high to get maximum pleasure out of 2021. So far for the times I have been able to fish it is going well.

Regards


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I have this rod, and I love it! Great fun for bluegill, and it can throw tiny 1/32 oz lures easily. High quality rod made in Daiwa’s Vietnam factory. And I love the orange and black colors. But it is super soft and probably would not do well with big fish. I have the old Iprimi 1000 reel, which is quite heavy but looks great on the rod with all the orange.


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Originally Posted by deathb4disco

Yep, and when some guy wins a tournament with one, the flood gates will open. ;)

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Guess I should stock up :biggrin

Longest I have in the shop now is 23'6" but I've had 27' rods before.

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Originally Posted by Chris Stewart

Guess I should stock up :biggrin

Longest I have in the shop now is 23'6" but I've had 27' rods before.

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Have you listened to the link above? He talks about constantly extending the pole and then breaking it down again to land fish. It seems to me that would prematurely wear down the joints.

I did watch the video. There are telescopic rods in Japan that are used in exactly that way, although they are shorter than 8m. They are used in high mountain streams where there isn't always room for a back cast. The line is very short relative to the rod, and the rods are quite stiff. They are generally (but not entirely) used with bait, and when a fish is hooked, it is brought in by collapsing the rod. Small fish are often lifted completely out of the water (even with the rod still fully extended) and then brought in by collapsing the rod.

If the rod is clean (no dust or grit to get into the joints) and if it is extended to the point that the joints are all just snug, it shouldn't pose any problem to partially collapse rod to bring in the fish - no matter how many fish you catch. However, if the rod is partially collapsed, there is now a hard spot where the thinner section exists the combined collapsed sections. That could be a problem if you happen to hook a large bass that isn't quite ready to come in. Having a long handled net would be a good idea.

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There are telescopic rods in Japan that are used in exactly that way, although they are shorter than 8m. They are used in high mountain streams where there isn't always room for a back cast. The line is very short relative to the rod, and the rods are quite stiff. They are generally (but not entirely) used with bait, and when a fish is hooked, it is brought in by collapsing the rod. Small fish are often lifted completely out of the water (even with the rod still fully extended) and then brought in by collapsing the rod.

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Interesting. I got the impression that he was using a different type rod (more like keiryu) but, as I said, it seems to be working for him.

I am sure you are right in that it is a type of keiryu rod, but so is the kind I described above. I don't think it will be a problem.

Time for the fun to begin. Got some 1.2 gram spoons with #8 Saq Sas hooks....the Presso Limited pairs well with the rod. Got to love the Presso orange color.

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I have the Iprimi 5'6" xxul and the 6' xul, they are two of my favorite rods. I fished the most with the 5'6", it's a hard rod to put down and a decent panfish is a blast ! I love the grips !

Nice looking reel !

Nice looking set up!

Can’t wait for the reports and possible you tube adventure. You have an interesting season ahead of you!
Bob

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Time for the fun to begin. Got some 1.2 gram spoons with #8 Saq Sas hooks....the Presso Limited pairs well with the rod. Got to love the Presso orange color.

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Good looking combination that is for sure. Another question regarding the spoons...do you need a higher gear ratio reel to fish them in the heavier waters, ie more current, or will the low ratio reel speeds suffice? Also, what line to you plan on using for .9-1.2g spoons in and around the gill beds and in the current if you are able to fish them?

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Good looking combination that is for sure. Another question regarding the spoons...do you need a higher gear ratio reel to fish them in the heavier waters, ie more current, or will the low ratio reel speeds suffice? Also, what line to you plan on using for .9-1.2g spoons in and around the gill beds and in the current if you are able to fish them?

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I would suppose how much current one is fishing in as to what ratio you may want. I do know for trout slow is the way to go. I have used both slow and high speed ratio at Normandy with success. I have the Presso Limited on the rod with some 2.3# test ester...and that is what I will use when I find the Gills on bed or stacked somewhere. I am hoping to hit up VFW tomorrow...man that's a long drive....my other spots are blown out so it is there or nothing really. Changed out the #8 Saq Sas barbless hooks on 3 of the 1.2 gram spoons to a #8 barbed hook. Did so without incident but for an old man with fumbly fingers I can see that is an accident waiting to happen......LOL.


Regards

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Originally Posted by Alphahawk

One thing for sure....some crappie tourney anglers are going to try some of those rods.

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Prophecy fulfilled:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS_oup_VzLs