SLABSAUCE Fish Attractant |
Page 6 of 6 FirstFirst ... 3456
Results 51 to 58 of 58

Thread: The Walleye Channel

  1. #51
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    970
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    So a few things I learned over the weekend.

    1, I need more HUK Gear to prevent Sun burn,
    2, I would like a bigger boat,
    3, 3 is to many people in the cockpit of my boat. Now this might be mitigated by a crew of other fisherman who know what they are doing, but my Wife, & Granpa, Well, lets just say it was crowded.
    4, Rod holder are installed for a purpose, put the rods back in them.......


    OK, Now on to what I learned fishing.

    If needed offset the contour lines for the proper depth. My Graph was about 5 foot off. Once corrected, it was sweet, and accurate, across most of the Bay.

    My Lake master chip does not have Saginaw River, nor Saginaw Bay in HD. I found that a surprise. I actually flipped over the the XT Contour for the Sag River.
    For the Bay though, once I found a depth I preferred I liked that I could highlight that depth, and cover a vast area of that depth only. I highlighted 18 to 21 foot of water.

    Bottom bouncers do not need to be out 103 foot. However, the second time I used them I tried the let it bounce (At least I think I did) and caught less fish, than 103 foot of line. (That's funny right there)
    I still caught in both methods, but when I tried it the second time, I was alone, so I had 2 Planers, and the BB I was testing.

    I was able to catch them on Slow Death #2 Red Hooks, (not sure if hook color matters if its all covered by worm, but it was what I was told to use, so I did) The Super Death hooks nickle color, #2 worked just as well.

    I have read about crawler harness, and colored blades, etc. Steve actually offered me his extensive collection, but timing to acquire them just didn't work out.
    There may be a place for them, but I was fine without them. I'm not a tournament, but I got fish on the Death hooks, minus the colored blades.

    10 Foot Salmon rods designed for Dipsy Divers are Walleye Fish Lip Rippers. I used them for the length to clear other poles. Gramps used them to rip the lips off the fish.
    He would grab a rod that had a fish, set the hook like he was Babe Ruth, and reel in lips. once he even broke a hook. that was funny.

    Switched those reels over to my down rigger rods, and it was much better.

    Calibrated Reels are only as precise as you make them once on the water. Counting out 81 foot while in the Rod holder may say 81 foot, but it wont be once you are in the water.
    I solved that quickly when I realized I could start my Flicker from the rod tip, just on the surface of the water. Then count out 81 foot (Target Depth). This removed any error of slack.
    I then add an addition foot, to 82, then lock the bail attach the Planer board to that additional foot of line at the rod tip, and be exactly at 81 foot.
    If it doesn't make sense to you, it does to me in my Pollock mind, and was more precise for me.

    Planer Boards them selves, Day one had no tangles. Planer boards all set and in a line from the cockpit are easy to see one drop back from smaller fish. The key was to get them in-line, for my vision.
    I found a had quite a few stragglers, that were happy to swim along and not make the flags move (Flags were set LOW tension, so you would think that they would go off and tattle but nope. Most all of those were tossed back, I think once was just swimming along enjoying the cruise.

    Day 2 was a nightmare.
    Inside board was no issue. the outside board was the issue (maybe the user as well) The Out B, would clear the In B, but the Flicker would collect the In Board line between the In Board, and its Flicker.
    I could reel it in, unwrap the line, and send the In Board, flicker back out and it would reset. Fish that stayed LOW, would do the same thing as well.

    Day 3 more testing, I would release the Out Board, and let it fall back into line right behind the boat, reel it in, and sure enough the Out Board Flicker would collect the In Board, line between the In Board, & its Flicker. I think I was getting messed with from some currents maybe. There seemed to be a difference between the current, and the winds, I sent back a Flicker and aligned it so that it was going straight back, regardless of the wind, and that seems to HELP, but I still had 2 tangles, but both were with Fish on the line.

    Down Rods with BB at the corners is WAY BETTER than long lines, in an attempt to reduce tangles.

    I would not try to run 3 boards on a side just yet, until I get a better feel for what I am doing, and or doing wrong.




    Lastly, an outside Board with a fish, that Grandpa reels in when the flag goes down, and tangles into the Inside board and he keeps cranking, and is not only, fighting the fish, but now the inside board as well, and the outside board, a mess of line, will be forever known as a Master Angler Walleye. Probably a STATE RECORD. "I'm Pretty sure it was a STATE RECORD" he was heard telling any one who would listen when we got back to the house, and at Lucky's Steakhouse, Meijer's, the gas station, and numerous phone call's to others, for the rest of the night

    He never saw the fish, I never saw the fish, but he KNOWS it was a Master Angler Fish. So If you get a mess of line, 2 Boards messed together, just know your fighting what feels like a Master Angler Walleye. Gramp's says so.

    It was his story, I did't have the heart to tell him, that great big yank he felt when it started FIGHTING even more, really hard, was the inside board. I just settled in and untangled the lines, and reset everything.

    I think we caught a little over 34 Walleye in 3 days, out of all the trips and people, 32 of a possible 64. I didn't think that was bad, mostly because, it was my first time by myself, and with others, & we were there to eat. By Monday, the last day the only way to get Gramps to stop talking bout his STATE RECORD was to feed him Walleye, and force a Food Coma. Gram's was heard saying, Bout Dang (Not Dang, Beavers make these things to block the water) time he shut up about that fish!
    Name:  20180709_202226368_iOSUR.jpg
Views: 36
Size:  133.3 KB
    All spelling errors are on purpose to keep my secretary busy.

    2017 MiCDC Fall Designated World Wide Web Crappie King



    Likes Redge LIKED above post

  2. #52
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Leslie
    Posts
    3,571
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Awesome. I'm glad you are getting out there and actually experiencing the stuff first hand. Sometimes the learning curves are steep. This is one of those cases where you might be well served to watch someone else to rectify your board issues. I'll do my best to try and explain it. BUT... that said, I still get the same thing from time to time.

    You normally don't have a ton of issues when you are running the bait on your close board (board A) with a short setback (say 45 feet). When board B (the outside board in a two board spread) is set at 70 feet back there is a big difference between the two setbacks and tangles are unlikely. Where you start running into issues is when your setbacks are close to one another OR, you are running similar depths. If for example, board A has a 50 setback and board B has a 60 setback, chances are high that, unless using some learned techniques, you ARE going to get tangles.

    FYI, your assesment of waves and current is pretty spot on. That can have an influence. SO, here is what we do to try and mitigate the tangle issues.

    Board A: Run it closer to the boat. Board B, run it down the center WAY FURTHER than you want it away from the boat. Let it ride in to position and then reel in the difference. When only running two boards, you can keep them further apart and this will avoid the tangles. When running three or more, it is VERY important to let that board go WAY out the back and ride into postion. This is a trick I learned after watching Kevin. Another trick (which I used this weekend and Steve got to witness). After you let that outside board ride up in to position. Start cranking it in a little ways. This often will produce a strike. Another trick is to let them out a little bit. Again, with following fish, this will produce strikes.

    When the outside board goes off, and this is extremely important. DON'T start reeling. Let the weight of the fish pull the board way back so that it is almost inline with the other board before you start reeling. This is hard to do but works great. As long as there is tension on the line, you will not lose the fish. You still get tangles, it is unavoid able. Especially when you are running very similar setbacks. Running more than two boards isn't much different. Just have to pay attention to how much line you allow out the back of the boat to avoid one bait running overtop of another one.

    As for towing fish. Do not feel bad. It takes a little while of watching boards for countless hours before you devolp a sense that you have something on. Sometimes, you are wrong but, more often than not, you are right. We towed a few around for 5 or so minutes knowing that we THOUGHT we had a fish on. We monitored the board very closely and eventually, saw somthing slight enough to warrent reeling it in.

    Speed is another factor with this. A lot of times, some of these fish (salmon included) will be content swimming along with the baits. That reeling in or letting the board out trick is one of the best ones I have used in this scenario when I "think" there is a fish on.

    The more you go, the more you know. I know that the navionics chips (although not great in some areas as we have witnessed) are pretty good for the bay. Just like with other electronics, (and I don't know why) some offer great maps of some locations and lousy ones of others. Lowrance maps have been great for the bay and other bigger bodies of water but they are lacking in the smaller lakes just as Navionics and lakemaster have their pro's and Con's.

    All in all, you went out, were successful, and came back having learned some things and having questions on others. Once you get explainations to the questions, the picture get clearer.
    I have OCD "Obsessive Crappie Disorder"

  3. #53
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    970
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    All boards were set to the same length/depth, of 20 foot @ 81 feet of line. So that may have been my issue. However, 1st time, I did the same thing and had no issues. Maybe I was doing something wrong that was right.

    Guessing from reading above, that I should have them staggered in depth like Salmon? 2 Board scenario would be similar to similar to Inside Board @ 20 Foot Depth/81 foot of line, and Outside board 18 Foot Depth/67 Feet of line, Add a third board even farther out at say 15 foot depth/51 Foot of line. This allows the outside boar to go over the board to its inside.

    Is that Correct? or opposite, Deep lines to the outside?

    I was marking fish on the bottom, and set EVERYTHING to the bottom. Even the 103 foot Bottom Bouncers......
    All spelling errors are on purpose to keep my secretary busy.

    2017 MiCDC Fall Designated World Wide Web Crappie King




  4. #54
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Leslie
    Posts
    3,571
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Longer leads to the outside. Shorter leads to the inside. You can run identical setbacks, just stagger like I discussed and you will be fine.

    Example: Outside board is a DDHJ running 90 feet back (15 feet down). Middle board is a flicker at 75 back (15 feet down) inside board is a 1oz snap weight back 45 (15 feet down).

    They all run the same depth but the setback keeps you out of trouble.

    Again, you can run the same baits and setbacks, just stagger the boards further.

    Here is something else. Once you get past 15 feet, the dive curve is narrow. Takes wzy more line to hit the next foot. So, one bait back 75 and one bait back 90 are pretty close to the same desired depth.

  5. #55
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    wyoming, mi
    Posts
    1,009
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Another thing to pay attention to if your getting these tangles, is the crankbaits themselves, always check to see if there running true and not left or right. A left or right running bait with a weird cross wind/ current will lead to a lot of tangles.
    So let’s say you have dialed in your depth ,color and speed , and all of your setbacks are pretty much the same if not exactly the same on all the lines, and the outside board goes off, you release the board, let it fall behind the boat and reel the fish in. So now instead of putting that board back to the outside just move the inside board to that outside position and put this one to inside spot. Now there’s no guess work about how far to let the board fall back and if they will get tangles
    This past weekend when uncle Al and I were over on the bay, I noticed he was trying to do as I did when resetting a board back to the outside position. His issue was judging how far to let it fall back before engaging the reel, so I would have to constantly remind him to either let more line out or less line My permanent fix was to only run 2 boards on his side and one down rod out the back and always shift the rod positions when outside board was brought in.


    Sent from my iPhone using Crappie.com Fishing mobile app



    get in, sit down, shut up and fish

  6. #56
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Leslie
    Posts
    3,571
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Awesome point Kevin! I completely forgot about this when running the same setbacks. It is something you see done when running big boards!

    For me the majority of the time, I like a slight stagger in my baits. As I said before, once you get down around 15 feet with these baits, it takes a great deal more line to reach the next 1 foot of depth. So, running an 80 and a 90 setback is pretty darn close.

    Here is another tip that everyone fishing my boat has liked (except Steve who is color blind). I alternated the color of my flags. I run an orange flag and then a green flag. It makes a huge difference. Instead of looking at 4 orange flags and trying to tell someone which rod to grab, you can now say the 1st green one, or the second orange one!
    I have OCD "Obsessive Crappie Disorder"

  7. #57
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Eaton County, Michigan
    Posts
    1,926
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Colorblind Steve likes them in numerical order starting from stern going forward if multiple rods.....
    1=inside board
    2=next one out
    3=you get the idea
    and so on.




    Sent from my iPhone using Crappie.com Fishing mobile app



    2017 MiCDC fall crappie guide of the year (FCGOTY)

    Member: “Michigan chapter of Team Overalls

  8. #58
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    970
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Colorblind Steve & Pollock Oneida May have to go out and try and catch some.
    All spelling errors are on purpose to keep my secretary busy.

    2017 MiCDC Fall Designated World Wide Web Crappie King




Page 6 of 6 FirstFirst ... 3456

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

BACK TO TOP