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    Angry Tilt/Trim problem ... 1999 90hp Merc 2strk


    here's the deal :

    Stored boat over the Winter & left motor straight up/down (off the motor toter)
    Loosened the screw to take pressure off so I could manually lift motor up & put back on motor toter.
    Loosened the screw too much and blew it out, along with unknown amount of t/t fluid.
    Replaced screw and got motor back on the motor toter.
    Replaced fluid and tried to tilt/trim motor ... wouldn't work. (I suspected it had air)
    Checked with local boat sales place & was told it still had air in it ... keep adding fluid & tilt/trim it over and over until air bleeds out.

    OK ... tried that about a dozen times and motor would "try" to trim but didn't move very fast or far. Whenever I did get it to go down, it wouldn't come back up .... and when it did come up, it wouldn't go back down.

    Here's the scenario: I loosened the screw & lifted the motor all the way up and flipped out the catch bar. Opened the reservoir and filled the fluid level to specs (even with bottom of insert hole). Replaced the cap, screwed in the pressure release screw, lifted motor off the catch bar .... and it would not hold position. It would come all the way down to almost a 45deg angle before it would stop. It would go down from there, but would not go back up (using trim switch). Whenever I did get it to go up some (after letting it down manually or trimming it up) it would not go back down.

    I'm at a loss as to what to try next, as I've filled the reservoir to specs & even over-filled it (using my thumb as a dam to hold fluid in and quickly put the cap back on) ... and neither one seemed to make a difference.

    It shouldn't be anything to do with the relays, as they're practically new ... and the motor did trim up (a little & very slow) on occasion (but wouldn't trim back down), and went down just fine several times, but then would not trim back up.

    Everything I've seen online shows filling the reservoir up to level with the bottom of the hole, putting the screw cap back on, then trimming the motor back down ... & that's it, it's done !! Not in my case unfortunately.

    Anybody got any ideas on what to do next, or have a step by step procedure that I can follow ?? My local dealer's mechanics are 8 weeks behind & not taking in any more work

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    Loosen the bleed screw, rise it all the way up, then let it fall back down slowly. You will have to do this several times to bleed air out and your probably going to get tired. But just take your time and you will eventually get it bleed. After 2-3 times with it all the way down check fluid level. May have to add a little after the air bleeds out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cray View Post
    Loosen the bleed screw, rise it all the way up, then let it fall back down slowly. You will have to do this several times to bleed air out and your probably going to get tired. But just take your time and you will eventually get it bleed. After 2-3 times with it all the way down check fluid level. May have to add a little after the air bleeds out.
    Thanks Cray ... I'll give that a shot as soon as the bruises on my arms go away

    Actually I asked about doing that at the dealer & I understood him to say to use the switch to move motor up/down ... and not do it manually. Maybe I misunderstood
    Anyway ... I'll give your way a try ... appreciate it, buddy !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cray View Post
    After 2-3 times with it all the way down check fluid level. May have to add a little after the air bleeds out.
    Can you clarify this ?? If the big motor is "all the way down" how am I going to get to the fill port screw to take it out and add fluid

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    If that is the case, take it all the way up. Lock it and slowly remove plug. You are trying to vent the air out of the system and that’s the only spot it can get out. May just be a tiny bit each time but eventually you will work it out to where you can move it with the pump.
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    OK .... so you're saying to loosen the release screw .... lift & lower the motor 2-3 times manually ... then lift it & lock it and open the fluid port and check/add fluid ... repeat process ~10 times ... then try using the trim switch to move motor up/down. Is that right ??

    My question then would be ... should I leave the release screw loose during the process, until I try the switch ?? Or should I close the release screw before opening the pump port screw & checking the fluid level ?? Or do I have to close the release screw at other points in the process, too ??

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    I'm not familiar with your tilt and trim unit but on any hydraulic system that I have ever bled, like on a triaxle dump truck, and I've bled a bunch of them, you'd raise it as high as it would go with the controls, then open the bleeder screw and let it bleed down until fluid started coming out. Repeat that several times, sometimes many times. If it works the same way on a boat, and you open the bleeder screw to raise the motor, you're going to get more air in the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FurFlyin View Post
    I'm not familiar with your tilt and trim unit but on any hydraulic system that I have ever bled, like on a triaxle dump truck, and I've bled a bunch of them, you'd raise it as high as it would go with the controls, then open the bleeder screw and let it bleed down until fluid started coming out. Repeat that several times, sometimes many times. If it works the same way on a boat, and you open the bleeder screw to raise the motor, you're going to get more air in the system.
    If you don't open the bleeder screw on a tilt/trim .... you ain't gonna move the motor manually !! And try as I may, the switch will not move the motor in either direction (like it's supposed to) .... and if/when it does move it in one direction, it won't move it in the opposite direction. The best it's done is trim the motor down (at a normal pace) ... it struggles to trim the motor up (if/when it moves up at all). My marine mechanic says it sounds like air lock .... as air compresses easier than fluid, so the air has to be bled out & the fluid level maxed out so that the pump is compressing fluid only. At least that's how I understand it.

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    If it will only go down under power, swap the wires on the relays and see if it starts moving in the other direction. If it does, swap them back and see if it reverses the direction. If it does, you have a bad relay. Been there, done that, chased my tail for a week because they both lit up a test light like they would if they were good. Green wire is the hot wire to the down relay, blue wire is the hot wire to the up relay. You probably already know all of this but when you swap the wires, pressing down will work the up side, and up will work the down side.

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    Pappy, lift up and down a couple of times lock it and close bleed screw. Open plug and vent. Put plug back in open bleed and do a couple mor times then repeat process. Do it about 3 times and then check with pump. That screw is only a bypass for fluid unless you turn it out to far as you did originally.


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