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    I would love some input on pushing jigs instead of double minnow rigs.
    I have doing that for years and would like to try different methods.
    Do I just suspend a light jig about 12-18 inches below whatever egg sinker weight I decide is appropriate for the speed and depth Iím fishing?Roadrunners with same type weight setup?
    Relative question, but is it just as productive?
    I have way too many jigs and plastic that is never used.
    Tip with crappie nibbles and soak with slab sauce I guess?
    I have Livescope and to be honest, donít really care for vertical fishing so Iíve learned to use it for pushing.
    I hate casting. Did that for way too many years chasing the green fish.
    Thanks in advance for any input.
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    Personally I use inline trolling sinkers with barrel swivels on each end of it to prevent line twist. Use 1/2 to 3/4 oz. as I usually stay below 0.5 trolling. I have made up jigs (like PICO bunny butts or 1/32 to 1/16 scope eye jigs) with 12-18 inch line attached to jig and install a small swivel on other end to attach to the sinker barrel swivel. Quick change outs to other colors or types. I use slab and garlic and actually put the juice in an empty nibbles jar and just dip my jigs, less messy that way and the bunny butts or hair jigs really hold the scent along time.

    Productive wise. I've had days that jigs out-fish minnows and vise versa. I still use both minnow rigs and the jigs, as I think it's a hard decision or at least it was for me not to solely use minnows if you have always used them and usually catch at least a few fish on every trip.

    Will be interested to hear how other folks set-up for jigs or plastics.
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    Chuck ... when I'm Pushing jigs out the front of my boat, I'm using a max of 4 rods ... each with 1oz trolling sinkers and 18" leader lines, and I run the boat at about 1mph. I use line counter reels so I can quickly get my jigs back to whatever depth I want. I use the right triangle theory to put those jigs at the desired depth .... basically: for every 5ft of line below the surface, the jig will be 3ft deep if the angle of the line is approx. 45deg. Mine usually aren't at 45deg, but that lets me err on the side of being a little shallower than what the mathematic formula dictates. I'm actually calculating the depth in my head by multiplying the length of line out by 0.6 to get a little more accurate depth. So if I have 30ft of line out, the jig will be close to 18ft deep if my lines were at a 45deg angle .... or with 20ft of line out the jig would be about 12ft deep. (20x0.6=12)

    If you have a trolling motor that has variable speed control, you can maintain a steady speed. I don't, so my speeds vary from 0.7mph to 1.2mph (depending on wind/waves) ... so my math/depth calculations can fluctuate, which is why I err on the shallow side of the line angle.

    I started out using barrel sinkers on the main line with a bead & duo-loc clip .... but went to trolling sinkers and duo-loc clips so I could more easily change weights if need be. I did try the Capps/Coleman rigging, where you wrap the leader line several times thru the barrel sinker, but found out real quick that you lose the weight along with the jig, a lot of times, when you hang up & break off.

    My main lines are either 20# mono or 30# braid ... and my leaders are usually 6# mono.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrappiePappy View Post
    Chuck ... when I'm Pushing jigs out the front of my boat, I'm using a max of 4 rods ... each with 1oz trolling sinkers and 18" leader lines, and I run the boat at about 1mph. I use line counter reels so I can quickly get my jigs back to whatever depth I want. I use the right triangle theory to put those jigs at the desired depth .... basically: for every 5ft of line below the surface, the jig will be 3ft deep if the angle of the line is approx. 45deg. Mine usually aren't at 45deg, but that lets me err on the side of being a little shallower than what the mathematic formula dictates. I'm actually calculating the depth in my head by multiplying the length of line out by 0.6 to get a little more accurate depth. So if I have 30ft of line out, the jig will be close to 18ft deep if my lines were at a 45deg angle .... or with 20ft of line out the jig would be about 12ft deep. (20x0.6=12)

    If you have a trolling motor that has variable speed control, you can maintain a steady speed. I don't, so my speeds vary from 0.7mph to 1.2mph (depending on wind/waves) ... so my math/depth calculations can fluctuate, which is why I err on the shallow side of the line angle.

    I started out using barrel sinkers on the main line with a bead & duo-loc clip .... but went to trolling sinkers and duo-loc clips so I could more easily change weights if need be. I did try the Capps/Coleman rigging, where you wrap the leader line several times thru the barrel sinker, but found out real quick that you lose the weight along with the jig, a lot of times, when you hang up & break off.

    My main lines are either 20# mono or 30# braid ... and my leaders are usually 6# mono.
    CrappyPappy,
    Thanks for the info.
    I have always pushed in the .2-.4 mph range. Figured jigs would be the same. I do run an Ultrex so I can be precise or close with my speed.
    So you push jigs faster with heavier weight?
    Thanks
    Chuck.


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    I have some buddies that speed troll with B&M 18' Pow-R-Trollers pushing road runners and crank baits with 3 oz weights between 1.5 & almost 2 mph and have pretty good luck. Not me, I have enough trouble hanging up and recovering at less that 0.5 with multiple rods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rufishn View Post
    I have some buddies that speed troll with B&M 18' Pow-R-Trollers pushing road runners and crank baits with 3 oz weights between 1.5 & almost 2 mph and have pretty good luck. Not me, I have enough trouble hanging up and recovering at less that 0.5 with multiple rods.
    They arenít fishing areas with much cover I bet. Must be out in open water.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Adams View Post
    CrappyPappy,
    Thanks for the info.
    I have always pushed in the .2-.4 mph range. Figured jigs would be the same. I do run an Ultrex so I can be precise or close with my speed.
    So you push jigs faster with heavier weight?
    Thanks
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    I started Pushing with 1/2oz barrel sinkers & level wind reels for jigs & cranks .... but since I've moved up from 7-10ft rods to 14ft rods with line counter reels, I've gone to 1oz for jigs & 2oz for cranks. I just started going at 1mph as that's the speed that most of my Pushing mentors use for jigs. They go 1.8mph for cranks, but I'd have to have a calm day to maintain that speed with my trolling motor ... and "calm days" just ain't in the cards for Pappy !! Heck, I can't even move from one side of the lake to the other without the wind following me
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    I generally run 8 poles out the front. Usually a 1/8 oz jig 18in below a 1/4 to 1/2 egg sinker. Jig tipped with a minnow or a nibble. More times than not a minnow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pirogue View Post
    I generally run 8 poles out the front. Usually a 1/8 oz jig 18in below a 1/4 to 1/2 egg sinker. Jig tipped with a minnow or a nibble. More times than not a minnow.
    I would like to get away from minnows at some point but I probably never will.
    Just like some people only use jigs for bluegill. I always take crickets and red worms.
    Guess growing up using live bait has ruined me. I have so many jigs and plastic that I Never use so I thought I would try them.
    Glad I figured out how to use my Livescope for pushing because I just donít care much for single pole jigging.


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