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    Love and have used braid past half dozen years. Started with 20 lb power pro, now use 10 lb power pro with a duo snap. Have snagged 2- 30 plus pound flathead cats on this setup this year so 10 is strong and also smaller dia to get the baits deep when they need to be. Granted, I have lost 3-4 cranks this year but that is also part of the game. Would have lost more if I was using mono. Power pro slick yellow 10lb for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cevans View Post
    Love and have used braid past half dozen years. Started with 20 lb power pro, now use 10 lb power pro with a duo snap. Have snagged 2- 30 plus pound flathead cats on this setup this year so 10 is strong and also smaller dia to get the baits deep when they need to be. Granted, I have lost 3-4 cranks this year but that is also part of the game. Would have lost more if I was using mono. Power pro slick yellow 10lb for me.
    No leader?
    No swivel?
    Power pro to snap to crank?


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    Quote Originally Posted by brettw View Post
    No leader?
    No swivel?
    Power pro to snap to crank?


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    No leader, no swivel, snap to crank. When my line gets twists in it, once every great while, I take snap off line and let out 125’ and drag it thru water for 5-10 minutes and twists come out. One thing about power pro braid if your reels are stored out of sunlight, you will get a couple of years maybe out of it. Take it off the reel and reverse it, and it’s like new. It will our last mono a bunch.

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    An example of why someone would have different success running braid on one side of the boat and mono on the other:

    A bandit 300 on a 10lb Berkley mono setup will dive 10 feet with 39 feet of line out.
    That same bait with 10lb fireline will dive 12 feet with 39 feet of line out.

    So, braid does allow cranks to dive deeper with less line.

    There are advantages to braid such as dive depth with less line, abrasion resistance to zebra mussles, structure such as rock or logs, and teeth from cats, gar, pike and other. Another advantage is the ability to straighten the hooks on a snag without the fear of breaking off with mono. Unfortunately, there is not a one sized fits all aproach. There is also some disadvantages with braid.

    Although we are primarily talking about pulling cranks for crappie, many utilize braid while jigging due to it's properties regarding "feel". Many of them (in the walleye community) will use extra stiff actions for a kick hookset when the fish is felt. Unfortunately, many times, hooks are pulled from the fishes mouth as there is little to no give associated with braid and extra fast rods. With mono (at least in that setup) coupled with a good medium light fast action rod will allow for stretch in both the mono and give in the rod that allows for better hook sets. HOWEVER, once you get to deeper water (say 40 feet) you tend to miss more fish with mono as the stretch of the line and the transfer of the bite is too slow to offer a quick hookset.

    That said, we are talking specifically about trolling cranks here. As someone already mentioned, braid does have an issue (at least associated with walleye, salmon, steelhead) and other fish in that it doesn't have much give. When these fish turn to make a run or shake their heads, you are often left with ripped hooks or bent hooks. That mono allows for the stretch to be transfered to the rod.

    Another issue associated with braid is the fact that it is silky in nature. It doesn't allow for a good setup when using planer boards as the line doesn't allow for much surface area for the pads to grab on to. Yes, you can twist the line before putting it in the pads, and it does work, but it will saw through pins on OR16 clips, tear up pads, and, in time, those twists actually create a weak point in the braid that eventually breaks. I've seen it in my testing!

    I run crank baits while tournament trolling for walleyes about 95% of the time. I deal with pike, big catfish, walleye, gar, and all the other toothy critters. We run our baits through zebra mussles, sticks, limbs, grass, weeds, and everything else that holds fish. I've yet to break 10lb berkley XT on a fish of the above species. YES, we do lose a crank or two. Unlike crappie cranks, we are talking about custom baits in the 13 to 15 dollar range EACH! It is just how it goes. Does braid catch more fish? No. Does it catch less fish? No. Again, it boils down to the BEST for your setup.
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    I change my mono out about every 3 years. I do strip line off every so often when I notice nicks in the line
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    I used to pull crankbaits on medium-light spinning rods with 6 to 10 pound mono. Several lakes I fish are fairly clear (for this area) without much cover in deep water besides weeds. I found that as the day wore on, the more stretch I got in the mono, the more short strikes there were, and the more fish I lost. The rods were soft enough action that some of the hook setting power was lost as well.

    When I switched to braid, I backed the drag off to where it takes a good sized crappie to pull any, it also takes a bass over three pounds some work to pull much line off the reel. I moved to medium action 6'6"rods with line counter baitcasters, but kept the swivel tied to braid and a snap at the business end of the fluorocarbon leader to make changing lures faster. I probably don't need the swivel, though none of them have cost me any fish, so why not? I use the 6'6" rods, because if they were any longer and I couldn't untangle line wrapped around the tip when seated in my kayak. I don't use planers, plus the width of my kayak (29 inches) limits how many lines I can run without tangles.

    I haven't kept up with numbers of landed compared to lost fish in braid versus mono, but I definitely boat more fish with braid by probably 1.25:1, especially if the line has been in the water a long time. Mono just seems to get more stretchy, like a rubber band, where braid doesn't have much give from start to finish. I hope this helps somebody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yak Fish View Post
    I used to pull crankbaits on medium-light spinning rods with 6 to 10 pound mono. Several lakes I fish are fairly clear (for this area) without much cover in deep water besides weeds. I found that as the day wore on, the more stretch I got in the mono, the more short strikes there were, and the more fish I lost. The rods were soft enough action that some of the hook setting power was lost as well.

    When I switched to braid, I backed the drag off to where it takes a good sized crappie to pull any, it also takes a bass over three pounds some work to pull much line off the reel. I moved to medium action 6'6"rods with line counter baitcasters, but kept the swivel tied to braid and a snap at the business end of the fluorocarbon leader to make changing lures faster. I probably don't need the swivel, though none of them have cost me any fish, so why not? I use the 6'6" rods, because if they were any longer and I couldn't untangle line wrapped around the tip when seated in my kayak. I don't use planers, plus the width of my kayak (29 inches) limits how many lines I can run without tangles.

    I haven't kept up with numbers of landed compared to lost fish in braid versus mono, but I definitely boat more fish with braid by probably 1.25:1, especially if the line has been in the water a long time. Mono just seems to get more stretchy, like a rubber band, where braid doesn't have much give from start to finish. I hope this helps somebody.

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    I get plenty of short strikers too
    Long , whippy rods for trolling jigs

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    Yak
    Please make me a list of what I’m going to need.
    6 rods but I fish off the back, they need to be different lengths?
    Line counter reels?
    1500 meters of braid

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