I forgot to mention -- when I first started doing the KIDS POLES they let me hang a sign on the door looking for broken rods -- a couple of weeks later someone brought about 20 old rods and they called me -- I wasted no time in getting them collected ... They pulled out a VERY OLD map of the bone made about 30 years ago that was made during a drawdown -- the locations of big bream beds and favorite locations of bedding bass were shown and labeled all over the lake. they let me study it for over an hour while I drank a pot of coffee