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    rnvinc, great post. This thread has been dead for a while. I appreciate the update. I am personally disappointed with the concept that it will take 3 dang years to evaluate the effectiveness of this ''Accustic Fence' but I guess it takes this long for the people we have working here in KY to figure this out. I guess they will mark the areas off as no fishing areas, but don't know. You would think that KY dam would need the same survey since the carp should also be there below the dam, but I guess 1/2 of the info is better than nothing. I hope we have 3 years to figure out the problem.

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    I think it's stupid to block off all the way to the locks as a non-fishing area. There are not a lot of great fishing areas for bank fishermen but up along the lock walls is one of them. Bluegill or crappie fishermen aren't going to hurt that barrier. If it is that delicate they need to be rethinking the design.
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    Mr, I agree, don't see how panfisherman could affect this thing. I spend a couple trips fishing in this area years ago bank fishing when I didn't have a boat and it was excellent to catch a mess of Bluegill or Shellcrackers on trips there in mid May through mid June just off the bank(no more than 10 feet with some waxworms) So, I guess for 3 years or longer now, there will be no fishing in this area. I hope we get some reports ASAP if this thing works. Cannot believe it will take 3 years to find this out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M R Dux View Post
    I think it's stupid to block off all the way to the locks as a non-fishing area. There are not a lot of great fishing areas for bank fishermen but up along the lock walls is one of them. Bluegill or crappie fishermen aren't going to hurt that barrier. If it is that delicate they need to be rethinking the design.
    It certainly isn't ideal that the area is blocked. However, the area closure came at the request of the barrier manufacturer due to the vulnerable nature of the barrier. It is solidly built, but the interior is full of wiring and tubing and has to be open to the surface by necessity. I also agree that panfishermen would very likely not damage it since they probably wouldnt be fishing that deep, however, a tightlining catfisherman could easily damage it and setting up a regulation that would only allow certain types of fishing would be unnecessarily complicated.

    The decision to block off the area was not made in a vacuum. A public meeting was held and attended by hundreds of anglers. At the meeting we announced the plan to close that area. Wade White was in attendance and specifically stood up and asked everyone if they were opposed to the area being closed for the barrier testing. I do not recall anyone saying they were opposed. We have certainly gotten a few complaints since then, particularly from bass fishermen who like to target the rockpiles there. Additionally, this regulation went through the fish and wildlife commission which is open to the public. No complaints were received during that process either.

    One other potentially mitigating issue is that the fishing might not be as good there as it used to be. The barrier uses sound designed to deter Asian carp, but it is possible that the range of sound frequencies overlaps with the hearing range of some of our sportfish. (sportfish generally hear low frequency sounds, while Asian carp are more sensitive to high frequency). This is something which we hope to learn more about during the testing process.

    As for the length of the 3 year test. It will not be 3 years before any results are gathered, interpreted, or presented. We should know much sooner than that whether the barrier is working as intended. However, it does take a little bit of time to have any results. There are trackers in hundreds of fish right now and stationary receivers to track their movements. Because those receivers are passive, fish need to be moving in order for biologists to determine their movement patterns. Movement slows in winter and the data collection and testing is being handled by multiple agencies so it will take some time to synthesize. It will take some time to get a clear answer, but it wont be 3 years.

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    Adam, maybe I missed it, but what did you guys find out about the crappie spawn when you done the fall survey?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsnell View Post
    Adam, maybe I missed it, but what did you guys find out about the crappie spawn when you done the fall survey?

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    We found good numbers of young-of-year white crappie and decent numbers of young-of-year black crappie. They still have to survive the winter, but so far all signs have pointed to a good to above average spawn for white crappie. Particularly in lake barkley. White crappie tend to spawn better during high rainfall years, while black crappie tend to spawn better during droughts. It will certainly be interesting to see what kind of weather we will have this spring.
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    Adam, how did the fall survey look for crappie? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsnell View Post
    Adam, how did the fall survey look for crappie? Thanks.

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    The survey is done, but I still have a few of days of looking through a microscope before I can say for sure how the year classes looked. I'll try to post the results in broad strokes here when we are finished with it.
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    The kentucky and barkley crappie data have been analyzed so lets start with kentucky lake. It looks like kentucky had a good spawn of black and white crappie in 2019. We determine that based on the catch rates of age-1 fish. Once again for kentucky lake, the catch rates were higher for black crappie than they were for white crappie. Historically, ky lake was dominated by white crappie, however black crappie became the dominant species in about 1997 in response to changing environmental conditions. This is important because most anglers catch white crappie even if there is a higher percentage of black crappie in the population. In kentucky lake the 2018 spawn was slightly below average, but not bad. However, the prior two spawns (2017 and 2016) were very bad, which is why there are very few 3 and 4 year old fish in the lake right now. In fact, out of the 931 crappie we collected in our fall sample at ky lake, only 15 of them were age 3 or age 4, and there were no age 3 or age 4 white crappie collected. If you've fished this year you have probably already observed this pattern of short fish or bigger fish, but few 10" fish. On a positive note, we did still observe good catch rates of the 5 and 6 year old fish so there are still keepers to be caught. On a negative note, all signs are pointing to a bad spawn in 2020. Our larval catch rates were low this spring and our age-0 catch rates this fall were also low. Sometimes we see high survival over the winter and it will still turn into a good spawn, but I am not expecting that. This will create a drop in keeper catch rates in 3 years, but may be less noticeable if we see a good spawn next spring.

    For kentucky lake next spring, I would expect anglers to still be catching some of those 5 and 6 year olds (which will then be 6-7 years old as all fish have birthdays on january 1), but the majority of the fish will be 6-7 inches or line burners around the 9-10 inch range. I fully expect some of those 1 and 2 year old fish to be over 10 inches as we saw some very good growth rates this year thanks to all of the abundant bait fish. If you can figure out how to catch black crappie, you will still have a great year. 2022 is shaping up to be a really good year as we should have good numbers of keeper bass and crappie at the same time. On another positive note that I'm sure you've all noticed while fishing this year, the relative weights (plumpness) of the keeper white and black crappie were the highest scores we've seen since 2011 on kentucky lake.

    I'll post the barkley updates later today.
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