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    Default What would you put me in?


    Let me start by saying padded cell/rubber room isn't an option

    Just looking to have a little fun, so here goes.

    If I were to buy a new Kayak, what would your #1 suggestion be, and why. I'll try and give enough info, but if there's something else needed to make a decision, by all means, ask.

    Me- Old, worn-out, don't walk, bend, twist too well. About 225-230 lbs, 6'2-3", mostly prefer calmer/smaller waters, but would get out on larger lakes/reservoirs from time to time, maybe a river/creek on occasion, but as a rule not too often, and always freshwater. Mostly panfish, but catfsihing isn't out of the question. A sit-in probably wouldn't work for me, unless it was a hybrid-type with a large opening to make entry/exit nearly as easy as a SOT.

    Cost- Initial purchase under $1000

    Looking for- Stability, comfort, accessibility to other areas of Kayak (to reach gear, keep in mind I have limited flexibility), staying dry, lightweight with around 300 pound capacity, pretty much in that order though weight is a factor.

    Proposed Mods- This would just be as an FYI in the event it would have an effect on a choice.

    Possible seat mod/update, depending on stock one.
    Anchor trolley
    4 rod rack (probably rocket-launcher style)
    Fish Finder (shoot through hull TD)
    Spider-rigging set-up (for 3 rods)

    I've probably missed something, but can add later.

    What say ye?
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    ok, I vote for a straight jacket then.

    Now, on a serious side, look at the Wilderness Systems Ride 115, I've got one, and the only thing about it I dont like is the weight of it at close to 80lbs empty/bone dry. I can handle the yak ok loading and unloading it from my truck, but would not even consider dragging it far to launch/recover it. The 2013 model year offers an option of another seat, which is raised about 1-2 " higher than the standard/stock seat. I have the standard/stock seat and like it fine, it will come out of the yak by removing 4 bungee cords, and will slide forward/back to help balance the load. I don't move my seat much if any, the sliding seat is designed more for being able to stand in the yak, yep, its that stable. Ask RRR, he has a 135 Ride. The WS commander is something interesting as well, and the Tarpon is very similar to the Ride, but does not have the cargo capacity of the Ride, and is lighter in terms of empty weight. All of these have the trax system which allow you to mount rod holders/ff, etc without drilling holes, or minimize the # of holes. I drilled one (1) hole when I installed my FF. May be pictures in my "meet fatboy" thread. Lots of people like the OK brand, but the seat in the Ride and my Pungo 120 sold me on the WS brand. Lots of videos on the Ride on youtube as well.
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    I meant to behave, but there were just way too many other options available at the time.

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    I knew you'd get something past my "disclaimer"

    I couldn't do the 80 pound weight jimp. I have enough trouble getting mine loaded. However, your post got me looking at the Wilderness Brand, and I did run across something that tickled my fancy a bit. I do like the looks the Commander, but I got that "that's it" feeling when I saw the Native Watercraft Ultimate 12 Angler Kayak.

    Basically the same size/weight as what I've got now, even comes with goodies. The thing I like is the openness which would make it easier for me to access other stuff I'd happen to bring along. Front hatch and rear well access is mostly out of the question for me short of beaching. With this Kayak I could get me one of them fancy pot-passers like the Beverly Hillbillies use to reach stuff in the front.

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    Looks like it would be easy enough to rig, looks pretty comfy, including the seat. Kind of odd they consider it a SOT, seems borderline set-in/canoe. Regardless, I like it! The seat looks like it might be high enough so it wouldn't be too hard to get out of. I hadn't seen this before, not that I've spent lots of time looking.

    Anyone know if this is a single hull, or is it doubled, like a SOT? Ditto on any additional info on this particular Kayak?
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    well that dont leave many choices. Ocean Kayak | For the pursuit of fun activities on the water. two reasons why. 1. weight of the kayak. mine only weighs 56 lbs, 2. storage. got plenty of room inside the hull. and i can sit all day long and not get wet or stiff. and you have a scupper hole for a transducer. i didnt use the fish finder that day. i usually just use it for pond fishing but been thinking about upgrading to a better unit.

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    Thanks for the input ga! I know my requirements are different than most, therefor limiting my options/choices. I started this thread kinda for fun, but after seeing that Native Ultimate Angler, I'm thinking pretty serious about upgrading after winter is over. I like the fact it's open through the inside, and that would be a huge help for me to access gear in the Kayak. There's simply no way I could get myself up to access a front hatch, or even a well, and turning around, even sideways to access stuff in the rear well is impossible too. I'm sure the choice of a patio style chair interferes some with access to stuff in the rear though.

    While there's lots of great Kayaks out there, and I've no doubt Ocean is one of them, I honestly hadn't seen one like the Ultimate until yesterday. My Future Beach was a cheap investment, and have no regrets in buying it. I've learned more than the $350 I paid for it since owning it, and if it weren't for my physical limitations, I doubt I'd even consider replacing/upgrading it. Matter of fact I bet I'd stated before that I'd have no reason to, but I've since re-evaluated that. Spending a season in it has taught me that I'm just too limited to make proper use of it, and take advantage of it's space. It has plenty of storage for me, since the most I do is a days fishing (no trips/overnighters) and can easily haul anything I'd ever need it to. Also, I'm pretty much stiff all the time with joint pain, it's not something that stems from Kayak use, though it does add to it, sometimes more than others, just depends on the day. If it gets that bad, I just get off the water (or never get on it).

    I almost wished I were able to afford the Native Ultimate right now to take advantage of their free holiday shipping. As I set here now, I have a feeling I will be purchasing that Kayak come spring, that is unless I can find something nearly identical at a lower price. I think it would be much more user-friendly and comfortable for me.
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    Forgot to add this, for viewing pleasure:

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    That Slayer does look good with some possibilities for modifications. Seems like several kayak mfgrs. are now doing the upper and lower seat arrangement.
    Looks like the bottom would provide some stability too.
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    Been wondering where you been RRR, was gonna PM ya, but figured the Mrs and Holidays might had you a bit bamboozled.

    Been doing some reading on the Ultimate, and by golly I believe I've talked myself into buying one. The more I read/see the more I like it., and I think it would be an automatic solution to many of my problems (plus who don't like gettin' a new Kayak?)

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    Don't do anything until you give a hard look at the Jackson Cuda. It is made for the fisherman.

    1) 65 lbs. without the seat which you easily remove for highway.
    2) Seat has high/low positioning. Low for the long haul and high for prolonged fishing.
    3) Storage all over the place that is easy to reach. On the sides of the seats. Between your legs handy storage bin.
    The usual impossible to reach way forward and way rearward hatches.
    4) 14' tracks like a dream in open water with breeze.
    5) A tad extra beam so you can stand with almost comfort. Easy assist stand up pull strap.
    6) Super nice rod storage. Tip protection shield on the bow with plenty of staging molded into the hull. Plenty of bungee rod tie downs.
    7) Two vertical rod holders behind each shoulder side of the seat. I don't use them as am always passing under low tree limbs. Use one for dip net.
    8) Larger scuppers than the Native Manta Ray that I had last which allows me to put my anchor poll thorough one to position the boat in 6' to 7' of water
    depending on how hard the bottom is. For deeper water there's the anchor, but lot's of time I leave it home.

    The only reach around to the rear for me is to put a fish in the ice chest behind me. Strictly fresh water up until now and only go for crappie so I'm not trying to get big fish behind me.

    I carry 2 10' rods with each rigged a little different for quick change ups. Don't do spider rigging and have no urge too.
    I checked out adding a Fish Finder Shoot Thru Hull and it looks like it would work great in the Cuda. So far I don't seem to want that extra complication since I'm catching more fish than I feel like cleaning.

    I loved my Native Manta Ray, but the Cuda was made to fish. Manta Ray I think was a tad faster, but just a tad and hardly noticeable.

    Plenty of great videos on Youtube if you want to get the feel.

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    That Native Ultimate 12 sure is nice. I really like the removale seat, plus it looks realy stable. I just can't talk my self into a 12 foot kayak.
    I have CPS, (Chronic Pain Syndrome)a crappy back, and shoulder.
    I fish the Finger Lakes Region, NY - Large lakes, rivers, outlets and even a few ponds in the area. Mostly panfish, small mouth, and even catfish now and then.
    The 10 footers are more my size, Even though I'm 6'4". 12 footers tend to be 15 to 20 pounds heavier. Plus I put this thing on the Top of my Jeep. After a long day of paddleing it's a bit tuff to heave up there. I'm not getting any younger. I know I need to make a set of wheels to help haul all my stuff. The Asend FS10 Angler is still looking pretty good right now.
    It's gonna be a long winter if we're look at new Yak's now

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