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    As for the deer hunting comparison, I lived and hunted in a state for 64 years that was and still is among the top 3 states in the country for license sales. Opening day of buck season was an unofficial holiday across the state. All schools, statewide, were closed for 3 days when I went to school.
    I still travel the 1200 miles each way every year and buy a non res license to hunt there. A major reason is that Pa has over 5 million acres of open public land to walk around on without asking permission. And in the region ive always hunted there are steep ridges, which relate well to the type hunting we prefer. But I hear exactly the same arguments coming from people there. 40 years ago you could ride around on a rainy day on the many many miles of back country dirt roads and count 100 deer with no problem. Today you might ride the whole day and see none.
    There are also antler restrictions in place now which have mixed reactions among different groups.
    For the 72 seasons ive now been hunting, our camp is and has always been bucks only. I have been told many times over those many years that we just cant shoot them off during the short seasons we have. But you know what? they did, at least in certain areas they did, especially where it was easier hunting. Pickup trucks piled high with doe, shot by groups of hunters driving them from patches of woods to waiting standers. Guys with Rem 760 pumps and special 10 round magazines would commonly shoot far more than the one deer they were entitled to. But they all got tagged by somebody in the group. And today these are the type guys moaning the loudest over the game commission mishandling of the deer management. As for those managers, at least imop, they are government workers not unlike other government workers in most respects. How long till I can (fully) retire and collect the bennys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yobuck View Post
    As for the deer hunting comparison, I lived and hunted in a state for 64 years that was and still is among the top 3 states in the country for license sales. Opening day of buck season was an unofficial holiday across the state. All schools, statewide, were closed for 3 days when I went to school.
    I still travel the 1200 miles each way every year and buy a non res license to hunt there. A major reason is that Pa has over 5 million acres of open public land to walk around on without asking permission. And in the region ive always hunted there are steep ridges, which relate well to the type hunting we prefer. But I hear exactly the same arguments coming from people there. 40 years ago you could ride around on a rainy day on the many many miles of back country dirt roads and count 100 deer with no problem. Today you might ride the whole day and see none.
    There are also antler restrictions in place now which have mixed reactions among different groups.
    For the 72 seasons ive now been hunting, our camp is and has always been bucks only. I have been told many times over those many years that we just cant shoot them off during the short seasons we have. But you know what? they did, at least in certain areas they did, especially where it was easier hunting. Pickup trucks piled high with doe, shot by groups of hunters driving them from patches of woods to waiting standers. Guys with Rem 760 pumps and special 10 round magazines would commonly shoot far more than the one deer they were entitled to. But they all got tagged by somebody in the group. And today these are the type guys moaning the loudest over the game commission mishandling of the deer management. As for those managers, at least imop, they are government workers not unlike other government workers in most respects. How long till I can (fully) retire and collect the bennys.
    I grew up deer hunting in Indiana, which is a different ballgame than here in Florida for sure. Indiana allows up to 10 does (depending on your county) and 1 buck to be harvested per year. The deer hunting is fantastic.

    I was curious about your statements so I did some research, Penn State seems to have a different belief regarding the deer herd status in PA. As you pointed out though, isolated areas may experience differences compared to statewide statistics so what you have experienced might not extrapolate across the state. White-Tailed Deer

    Without digging too far deep into it, most current science supports sustainable doe harvest as the best way to manage deer herds. Breaking tradition and "this is how we've always done it" mentality is near impossible though.

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    Im not sure that comparing deer tag costs with fishing license cost is a fair comparison, I see lots of Florida plates in Illinois and West Ky in October and November too. They arent fishing. I agree that something has to be done about the possession rules though. I keep enough for a few meals, not a 100 person sportsmans banquet. Take lots of pictures and toss a bunch back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northforker View Post
    Im not sure that comparing deer tag costs with fishing license cost is a fair comparison, I see lots of Florida plates in Illinois and West Ky in October and November too. They arent fishing. I agree that something has to be done about the possession rules though. I keep enough for a few meals, not a 100 person sportsmans banquet. Take lots of pictures and toss a bunch back.
    I have mixed feelings on it. Tons of folks from GA (and elsewhere, just using it as an example) come down here to enjoy our fishing at a very reasonable price. For me to go hunt Georgia it cost $400 for a season or $170 for ONE DAY.

    For nonresident fishing licenses in Florida, its $17 for a 3 day, or $50 for an annual. For nonresident hunting it's $150 annual or $50 for 10 day . Only way a nonresident gets screwed in Florida is if you want to kill a gator at $1,000 for the tag.

    Not to mention, every place you stop in GA on the way to deer camp or to resupply you get to hear an earful about "dang Floridiots comin here to kill our deer." lmao

    We have saltwater fish with no harvest season, limited harvest seasons, tiny slot limits, etc as a result of people (from all over) abusing the resource and it being limited. Yet we continue to encourage more and more of it. Seems other states value their residents and resources for their residents more than Florida does.

    Another consideration is we have no income tax, likely because of our large amount of tax revenue generated via tourism and snowbirds having second, third homes, etc.
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    I guess Florida could institute an income tax to replace all that zillions of snow bird dollars, er um, that dog won't hunt.
    Every RV park, hotel, restaurant, store, guides, etc, etc, etc would be out of business without tourists.
    Florida has 2 fishing licenses, so if you like it salty and fresh, you pay twice.
    Best solution I can come up with is to do what Mississippi did, put a 12 inch min size limit on crappie and a 15 or 20 per day creel limit and 2 day bag limit is the most you can have in the freezer. Or maybe 100 fish max in the freezer. Eat em or release em. Respect the resource.
    I love fishing here and not freezing my butt off, the wildlife is amazing, the people in the RV park from all over are great, the food is good, SNOW is a four letter word
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    I do feel that FL is definitely low on the cost of their license especially for NON-residents when compared to other states, going up could help change someone's mind from taking too much but then it could cause them to do it more because they paid more, would they feel entitled to more??

    Most of our possession limits are very lenient for fish & deer so maybe that's why FWC is proposing a Black Crappie Management program & did what they did to the deer harvest rules, the thing is no matter how the laws change - the people that follow it will continue to do so & those that don't will still do what they want & until they get caught then they may think twice the next time.

    Seems other states value their residents and resources for their residents more than Florida does.
    This has always been so, it's the Mickey Mouse mentality - come here, use us & leave all your money (tourism) then when your gone & in the off season we'll rely on the residents who live here all year to support us. I love this state and all it has to offer but never really liked the way it's run & probably never will but that's the way it goes in paradise, take the good with the bad & make the best of it. I really hope that in 20 years my kid has clean water to fish in & enough fish to be caught, along with land to hunt on like I did when I was growing up.
    The finest gift you can give to any fisherman is to put a good fish back, and who knows if the fish that you caught isn't someone else's gift to you?"
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    One thing for sure, I am no threat to the Crappie population.
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    Well the guides and tourism to saltwater fish have already taken a beating. First was grouper and snapper closures. Now the water quality issues. Ponce Inlet in 1995 had 43 6 pack charter boats and 9 head boats. Less than 13 6 pack charters are left and 3 headboats. That percentage pretty much holds down the coast and into gulf. Water quality inshore in southeast and southwest have killed the inshore guides. Being in construction I see where the dollars are pointed. Short term rentals catering to foreign travelers are getting attention. Campgrounds are filled year round not just winter when snowbirds are down. 15 years ago I could look on Wednesdays for weekend trips, if I am not looking 6 months or longer out now I keep my camper parked. So if raising out of state fishing liscense to say 300 for year can't be budgeted in when planning a 5 month stay in a campground or resort so be it. And I by no means am saying every person camping is doing it but it is rampant in some areas. Raising liscense fees for tourists would certainly help put a few more LEO in boats and enforce everyone. The black market on fish needs to be handled as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonehunter View Post
    One thing for sure, I am no threat to the Crappie population.
    Not for lack of effort
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