Thread: How Guides Do It

Ron was trying to give advice and good advice. If you had not jumped the gun you might have seen that. He said he put out cover he just wants it harder to find. There's nothing wrong with that. I have to question someone's morals that would go behind a guides back and fish his cover.if you find it by chance that is one thing but to do it on purpose is a little dirty just my view. Thanks Ron for what you were trying to do don't let a couple of guys give you the wrong idea about c.d.c most of us are Friendly.

Originally Posted by Ron Kruger

"America's Friendliest Crappie Fishing Community." Right!

I'm sorry....Let's start over!
Hi Ron, Welcome....

Please don't take this personal, but I'm confused about your opening post and statements, could you please clarify??

So are you saying for a decade, as a Guide, you just made Honey Holes on KY lake....And all the other Guides did the same also??
So all of these people just set out fish attractors so they could go catch Big fish, and limit every day??
And All Guides didn't want anyone else to use the cover they put in, so they always had plenty of fish for themselves??
Did You or any of the other Guides ever do anything for the lake, so it could replenish itself, and stay a healthy Crappie fishery?? It would be beneficial for us to hear what you guys did to Help the Crappie Population there, so we might be able to use it at our lakes!
I know as a Guide, that you were way more responsible than how your post sounded, so please, since your typing has improved, tell us about what all you did do to help KY lake??

Just so we have a communication point for this thread, this is how I feel on the subject...again, this is just MHO.....
MOST recreational "Weekend Bank fishermen", or "Fishing Families", etc, don't realize what it takes to get Big Crappie. They think they just appear, and mistakenly think that they can keep catching Big Crappie and it will always be like that...they don't realize that a Crappie hatches from an egg and that maybe only 1% gets to legal size. They don't understand or think about, all that a fish has to go through OR NEEDS to get to SLAB SIZE.
They don't realize that setting up honey holes congregates the fish to be caught and makes it easier to catch fish, but, it puts even more pressure on the fishery, because less people are catching more fish in a cycle....Guides and regular fishermen should understand this, and know about conservation, so they can do their part to help keep the fishery stable...this is why State's have put Creel and size limits on the BIG NAME Crappie lakes...because normal people left "to there own" would over harvest and destroy the Fishery. Now, because of over harvest, stunting, wild population swings in the Crappie populations, State's have brought those Creel and Size limits to other lakes/etc, to help stabilize populations in other "Regular" lakes.
If True fishermen do their part by adding things to benefit the entire fishery ecosystem, from the bottom up, they can make the fishery even better and more productive and counteract some of the BAD that goes on at our lakes!
But, this is just my opinion!

Good Fishing To All!

Sorry about that Intimidater I just didn't want people ganging up on him. We are not on here to fight and he is new to the site. I did not we to make anyone mad just didn't like what I was seeing.

Originally Posted by lowe175

Ron was trying to give advice and good advice. If you had not jumped the gun you might have seen that. He said he put out cover he just wants it harder to find. There's nothing wrong with that. I have to question someone's morals that would go behind a guides back and fish his cover.if you find it by chance that is one thing but to do it on purpose is a little dirty just my view. Thanks Ron for what you were trying to do don't let a couple of guys give you the wrong idea about c.d.c most of us are Friendly.

No one was "ganging up" on "the new guy". We have opinions and comments to make as well.

I never "jumped any gun". I read what he posted and responded based on his post. He felt he was "sharing" information (from a guides point of view that is). I even posted again to tell him I was not trying to be mean. Others have opinions as well. I too can share my opinion and information with the entire fishing community. That's why I come to this site. I give as much information as I know to help EVERYONE catch fish and have fun. That is what this site is all about. Sorry if you don't see it that way. I was not mean or derogatory to him in any way. He had his comment and I had mine just like you have yours.

As for your comment about "fishing a guides spot"......I had to laugh out loud. Do you really believe that any given spot on a lake "BELONGS" to any one person? You really need to wake up and understand that public waters are just that. PUBLIC. If I see someone fishing a spot that I have not fished before, you can bet your bottom dollar that I will try that location at some point. I even put out piles and see people fishing them when I go to the lake. It does not bother me. Did they see me fishing it at some point? Who cares!?! The spot is working for EVERYONE. I'm happy.

As for being "dirty", (wow, didn't know you'd go there...) I know for a fact EVERYONE (and yes, including you, you just may not realize it consciously) has fished a spot they saw someone at before so don't say you never have. Everyone sees people fishing and have gone to the same spots over and over again. Do you seriously think that spot has never been fished before or never will again by anyone but the person who put the pile there? As for me...I guess I'll just continue to be a "dirty" old crappie fisherman!!!

You should either know what your talking about before you say something or just leave it alone. It will save you embarrassment in the long run. Just sayin'

Originally Posted by Ron Kruger

I guided crappie fishermen on KY Lake for a decade. We all created our own hotspots. Here's some insights:
Not one guide I knew ever placed anything along the banks. All were more than a cast length from the bank, so the weekend anglers couldn't stumble upon them.
I have more to say, but after a few words, I have all kinds of trouble typing and I can't paste anything. Maybe an administrator can help me?

Ron, I guess you are suppose to put a big flashing neon sign that says "fish here" over every spot you make ! LOL
Always remember this is the internet and some people take the words you type completely WRONG. Put your cover where YOU want, thats what I do. I also try to make it as hard to find as I can. This is a friendly place, you did sorta get jumped on for no reason, You plainly stated you put out cover, how some took off on tangents from that I don't know.
Welcome to the site !

I and many others here on this site are "weekend anglers". Ron's words from his post. Enough said.

Originally Posted by kickingback

I and many others here on this site are "weekend anglers". Ron's words from his post. Enough said.

Still don't understand what set yall off. Guess I am just as wrong as he is, if I put cover out I don't want you to find it either. If you do find it, that's fine. But i'm not going to make it easy. If I want to fish the same cover everybody else is, I won't waste time putting in cover, will fish whats already there. Not wanting to argue with you, just don't think Ron deserved some of the statements he got. We can agree to disagree and lets go fishin sometime.
Joe

Originally Posted by jusanothajoe

Still don't understand what set yall off. Guess I am just as wrong as he is, if I put cover out I don't want you to find it either. If you do find it, that's fine. But i'm not going to make it easy. If I want to fish the same cover everybody else is, I won't waste time putting in cover, will fish whats already there. Not wanting to argue with you, just don't think Ron deserved some of the statements he got. We can agree to disagree and lets go fishin sometime.
Joe

We all hide, or try to hide cover, for different reasons....at our home lake, we had to try and hide cover the best we could because our lake had been stripped of many fish (for several different reasons) and we were trying to bring the fishery back and make it even stronger and better.
A fisherman that puts in a honey hole and fishes it on weekends, once a month, or whatever, is different from someone who puts in cover and fishes it every day and expects to continually limit off these areas. When someone makes a point that ALL the people he knows is doing the same thing, it raises questions about how can this be sustained with the added normal fishing pressure??
Everyone that puts in cover takes the chance on being "Found Out" and having "The Lake's Cover" fished.
Guys at our home lake have gone as far, as to never fished the cover that was meant for the lake, just so we don't tip people off...I know that sounds stupid or selfish, but that cover was not meant as a Honey Hole for anyone, it was meant to produce and raise fish that would spread into the entire lake.

If only 1 point of mine gets across to the guys on here, it is to add a little bit of cover for the entire lifecycle of our favorite fish....to keep things healthy for all of you, they need dense cover close to spawning areas for fry, tight cover for small fish, and larger cover for slabs...but if you are lucky enough to have a lake that already has all of this...ENJOY it, while you can!