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    I keep seeing posts about Mississippi lowering Crappie limits of the big four lakes to 10 fish. Guide license fees went to 2000 and boat permits for guide boats . It is blamed on Forward Facing sonar . Our AGFC says they are not concerned about the pressure FFS is putting on the resource here in Arkansas. I suggested 12'' min and cut limit if half on one lake that could be a trophy Crappie lake here and was told it was not needed. Wonder if we will see any changes in the near future?
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    They have made it clear that they aren't going to do anything. A few years ago I spoke with a biologist about it and he said that ffs was too expensive for the average fisherman to afford and they didn't see many people buying it. I told him that just wasn't true and that it had already taken a toll on the big fish in several of our smaller lakes. Well now everyone with a kayak or a one man boat has one. I wonder what their excuse is now.

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    I agree that lowering the limit to 15 or 20 would not be a bad idea. Length limits, I donít have a problem with but not sure what would be the ideal size to restrict. I would think it might depend on the body of water and growth rate for that lake.
    As far as guides being part of the problem, Iím not so sure of that as long as all regulations and limits are followed. I personally have noticed a big shift in fishermen over the years. Instead of all the costs of keeping a boat all year, license, insurance, fuel, ect. they would rather hire a guide to take them out a couple times a year as most donít go fishing that often.


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    Quote Originally Posted by slabbandit View Post
    I agree that lowering the limit to 15 or 20 would not be a bad idea. Length limits, I donít have a problem with but not sure what would be the ideal size to restrict. I would think it might depend on the body of water and growth rate for that lake.
    As far as guides being part of the problem, Iím not so sure of that as long as all regulations and limits are followed. I personally have noticed a big shift in fishermen over the years. Instead of all the costs of keeping a boat all year, license, insurance, fuel, ect. they would rather hire a guide to take them out a couple times a year as most donít go fishing that often.


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    Respectfully disagree. Sure, guides are booked, but Iíve never seen so many decked out boats ďspare no costsĒ ever in my life. Ramps stay pretty full in my neck of woods (HS area) too.


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    Yea, Iíve seen Ďem too. Reminds me of that old sayingÖ..ĒThe Only Difference Between Men and Boys Is The Price of Their ToysĒ!


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    Number of guides has exploded . Reason Mississippi charges so much for a guide license and requires a boat permit for guide boats. Since livescope number of guides has increased tenfold some places. Guys that could not catch their azz with both hands before, now guiding. Guides can't transfer their fish if it put clients over the limit . I recommend guides not to keep any like Texas does. I hear next year guides will be required to have insurance for their business. Guide fees set to rise too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slabbandit View Post
    I agree that lowering the limit to 15 or 20 would not be a bad idea. Length limits, I donít have a problem with but not sure what would be the ideal size to restrict. I would think it might depend on the body of water and growth rate for that lake.



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    The major effect that I have seen is on the big fish population. I'd love to see them do something like what Louisiana did on Lake Darbonne. Creel limit stays the same but you can only keep 7 fish 12" or bigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cmj View Post
    The major effect that I have seen is on the big fish population. I'd love to see them do something like what Louisiana did on Lake Darbonne. Creel limit stays the same but you can only keep 7 fish 12" or bigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NIMROD View Post
    Number of guides has exploded . Reason Mississippi charges so much for a guide license and requires a boat permit for guide boats. Since livescope number of guides has increased tenfold some places. Guys that could not catch their azz with both hands before, now guiding. Guides can't transfer their fish if it put clients over the limit . I recommend guides not to keep any like Texas does. I hear next year guides will be required to have insurance for their business. Guide fees set to rise too.
    Keep in mind that $2000 fee is a non resident guide license. That slows down the oos folks from trying to cash in on the fees they can collect on the big four

    With Arkansas, or any state for that fact, there should be an insurance clause as part of the guide license. If I remember correctly, Arkansas will require $150,000 liability insurance. Most guides donít have it. Also, most guides I know donít classify their boat as commercial. I know I had to get new boat insurance when my Farm Bureau agent found out I was guiding. With a commercial boat, Farm Bureau would not cover any issues with my boat.
    Thereís lots of fees to set up a business as a guide and many just donít set it up


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    Quote Originally Posted by NIMROD View Post
    I keep seeing posts about Mississippi lowering Crappie limits of the big four lakes to 10 fish. Guide license fees went to 2000 and boat permits for guide boats . It is blamed on Forward Facing sonar . Our AGFC says they are not concerned about the pressure FFS is putting on the resource here in Arkansas. I suggested 12'' min and cut limit if half on one lake that could be a trophy Crappie lake here and was told it was not needed. Wonder if we will see any changes in the near future?
    But yet you continually keep limit after limit of big fish yourself. Perhaps you are part of the problem you're griping about .

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