There ya go. Figured it was something like that. You done got 'en hypnotized or using black magic!! They are just giving up!!! Just not for me. I figured out one thing about my livescope.when you are in forward view and a fish appears on the right side about 20 feet away he isn't 20 feet over to the right. he is 20 feet ahead. Assuming you are aiming ahead.Also, I was using my 11 foot tree thumper because it is light and has some backbone. About every time I dropped it ended up being 6 feet out. Gonna break out a 14 footer and start casting to them with a spinning rod. That is assuming I find a few. Looked at a B&M stick at grizzly but you give up a foot of length because of the reel seat. Plus it was heavy and felt like a cue stick.