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SkyChimp
06-02-2005, 10:06 PM
Sort of a loaded question, but I ask this because only in the last couple of years have I begun freshwater fishing again in earnest. In years past, I've run into fishermen who apparently think they are in competition for the most fish or best fishing spot. On occassion I've run into rudeness and sometimes reckless boaters. Even recently I was casting around a fallen tree (and had been for some time) when a boat with a couple of fly fishermen worked their way up right next to me and began working the same spot I was working. I'm having a hard time figuring out just how to deal with that.

Has anyone run into rudeness or hostility on the water? The kind of rudeness or hostility that stems from over-competitiveness? What do you do about that? Any experiences out there?

By the way, is anyone here a competitive fishermen (in the sense of belonging to an organization that promotes tournements with money prizes)?

DmDuck
06-02-2005, 10:52 PM
The tournaments I fish state in the regs you can not fish within 50 yards of an anchored boat ....to be considered anchored the trolling motor MUST be in the up position .
I guess the Up postion is for clarification , I've yet to have a boat in the tourny fish within 100 yards , and my motor was down even though the anchor was dropped .....of course I'm fishing crappie and catfish tournies and we're a better breed of fishermen than to crowd one another .

I guess this must be a real problem for guys/gals on the BIG lakes , I haven't had too many problems . On occasion .....but nothing real bad ....I've said before most of my problems come during the hunting season when I'm set up for geese and fishermen don't understand that a shot gun "Scatters" and that 50 yards or closer in my decoys is gonna be a problem . I really hate them motoring through my spread too since I've been there since 2a setting up and drinking coffee !! I really get cranky when I have 100 birds locked up and landing and they are throwing their dang lures while they are anchored in the landing zone !!

Roberta
06-03-2005, 07:08 AM
We fish small lakes, so when all the crappie and bluegill folks are tied up or anchored next to cover, the bass guys are forced to move in and out of those areas. Everybody keeps it friendly as a rule. When we're anchored on the channel edge about forty feet from shore, the bass guys have room to cruise along the edge and not get in our way. We ask them how they're doing if they don't ask us first.
The way we look at it, it's a public lake and everybody else has as much right to fish as we do. We try to keep out of the way of shore fishermen and we stay at least a casting length's distance from some body in a boat. If we get too close, we apologize for not seeing their bobbers.

We also compete for space with canoers, kayakers and sailboats. The only time things have gotten really testy have been at the ramp with the sailboaters, who seem incapable of tying up their boats at both ends so they don't swing out into the path of someone else. - Roberta

GABoy
06-03-2005, 07:28 AM
We have probably had more trouble with rudeness when we were not fishing in a tournament. I think the tournament fishermen have an understanding of what it is like to have their space invaded and therefore try to avoid doing that to others. However, we have had people before in the past see us catching fish and they will come up right behind you and follow you where ever you troll to. So, that sort of annoys me sometimes. But, it doesn't happen very often.

If I am not fishing in a tournament I really don't let anything bother me. They can come take my spot for all I care, I know I will be able to find more fish somewhere else, of course I am trolling most of the time anyway. I don't let it bother me, because first of all there really are some ignorant people out there, and I assume they don't know any better.

Stingrayg4
06-03-2005, 07:59 AM
The way we look at it, it's a public lake and everybody else has as much right to fish as we do.

That's the way I see it. 99 times out of 100 if you start talking you can usually strike up a good conversation, which totally removes any hostility. Occasionally you come across a jerk, there's really nothing you can do about that, but in my experience those guys are the exception, not the rule. Almost everyone wants to talk about how they've been doing and tell you about the big ones they've caught recently.



We try to keep out of the way of shore fishermen

Speaking as a shore fisherman, I really appreciate boaters with this attitude. I fish mostly at a small lake that has very few areas that can be accessed from the shore, there's just too much shoreline growth to be able to get close to the water in very many places. Usually the boaters stay well out of my way and give me plenty of room. Sometimes they just come up and fish right in the spot where I'm fishing giving me no choice but to try to cast around them. Hopefully this problem will be a thing of the past soon. I was just given a small aluminum boat & trolling motor (perfect for the lake where I fish). I have a problem with the title, but once that's sorted out I'll be a shore fisherman no more. :)

-S

whizkids
06-03-2005, 08:27 AM
Noone owns the water, or a tree. I may be fishing the tree today and the boat that comes up may have fished it everyday for the previous week. Does it annoy me? Yes it does , but I generally strike up a conversation. They may actually tell me of another place to try.
In competion one just has to share the water. In a recent tournament it seemed like all the fish were in one creek. There were 50 boats fishing that creek and you could talk to several boats near you with out raising your voice.
If someone is FIRST anchored ( they can't come into a bunch of boats and anchor and expect the distance to be observed) their space is respected. Otherwise I just try to leave a respectable distance and try not to cut someone off from a trolling path. Sometimes the creeks aren't 100 yds wide with bends and turns. You just have to keep your cool and treat others as you expect to be treated.
I fished a tournament last spring and found some fish in a place on Thursday morning. I was the only boat there. I did not fish there Friday. Saturday morning when I went there in the tournament there were 22 boats at starting time and more came during the day.
I fished a bass tournament 30 yeards ago on Smith Lake Ala. and boats were virtually tied up bow to stern in one creek throwing crank baits accross a creek channel. My point being that getting along in tight quarters is not new.
In competition, in order to win, you have to fish were the fish will bite. Everyone knows that and are usually pretty nice about it.
When I am fishing for fun, I give others a lot of space. If someone doesn't do the same for me I just try to be friendly and then move. I don't let them spoil my fun. It is fishing, and while catching is fun, I enjoy finding fish and will
rarely fish the same spot two trips in a row. I believe there are fish everywhere and they can be caught if the proper technique is used. That to me is the challenge.

CrappieLips
06-03-2005, 09:04 AM
[QUOTE=GABoy]We have probably had more trouble with rudeness when we were not fishing in a tournament. I think the tournament fishermen have an understanding of what it is like to have their space invaded and therefore try to avoid doing that to others. However, we have had people before in the past see us catching fish and they will come up right behind you and follow you where ever you troll

GABoy;; It's better they follow behind rather than cut in front of you like I've had-um do.

GABoy
06-03-2005, 09:10 AM
[QUOTE=GABoy]We have probably had more trouble with rudeness when we were not fishing in a tournament. I think the tournament fishermen have an understanding of what it is like to have their space invaded and therefore try to avoid doing that to others. However, we have had people before in the past see us catching fish and they will come up right behind you and follow you where ever you troll

GABoy;; It's better they follow behind rather than cut in front of you like I've had-um do.


Well, I must admit that has happened before too....where I have had to come almost to a complete stop in order to let them pass. But, really it doesn't bother me much at all. It's all part of the game.

CrappieLips
06-03-2005, 09:16 AM
If I come in on someone fishing up a creek, I'll go several hunderd yard's futher up the creek and start fishing, This way it gives them plenty of room to fish to me. by the time they get to where i started it's been 20 or 30 minutes, so chances are some fish have come back in the same spot. if the creek is to small or short I'll either leave or go to the other side.I have never cut in on anyone fishin up a creek nor pulled up an dropped anchor right beside them. But I have had it done to me a few times.

GABoy
06-03-2005, 09:25 AM
If I come in on someone fishing up a creek, I'll go several hunderd yard's futher up the creek and start fishing, This way it gives them plenty of room to fish to me. by the time they get to where i started it's been 20 or 30 minutes, so chances are some fish have come back in the same spot. if the creek is to small or short I'll either leave or go to the other side.I have never cut in on anyone fishin up a creek nor pulled up an dropped anchor right beside them. But I have had it done to me a few times.

Agree - SAME HERE!

whizkids
06-03-2005, 11:51 AM
However, we have had people before in the past see us catching fish and they will come up right behind you and follow you where ever you troll ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What about the Nextel network. Cell phones are not allowed in CUSA on tournament day but are in practice. Have you ever been catching fish and another boat saw you and a Nextel call put 3 or 4 more boats in the same place.
Or the flip side the fish quit biting and "beep beep" half the boats leave? I was fishing a tournament this year and I could see two other boats.We fished like this for about two hours. The other boats were too far away for me to see what they were doing. Then a convoy came in. Six other boats came in and joined the other two. One of those boats had called some buddies. I guess it is the team approach.

GABoy
06-03-2005, 12:08 PM
However, we have had people before in the past see us catching fish and they will come up right behind you and follow you where ever you troll ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What about the Nextel network. Cell phones are not allowed in CUSA on tournament day but are in practice. Have you ever been catching fish and another boat saw you and a Nextel call put 3 or 4 more boats in the same place.
Or the flip side the fish quit biting and "beep beep" half the boats leave? I was fishing a tournament this year and I could see two other boats.We fished like this for about two hours. The other boats were too far away for me to see what they were doing. Then a convoy came in. Six other boats came in and joined the other two. One of those boats had called some buddies. I guess it is the team approach.

Man, that is too funny!! But, very true. I have seen the same thing happen before also!

Moose1am
06-03-2005, 12:47 PM
Something sounds fishy~

TAE73
06-03-2005, 01:05 PM
However, we have had people before in the past see us catching fish and they will come up right behind you and follow you where ever you troll ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What about the Nextel network. Cell phones are not allowed in CUSA on tournament day but are in practice. Have you ever been catching fish and another boat saw you and a Nextel call put 3 or 4 more boats in the same place.
Or the flip side the fish quit biting and "beep beep" half the boats leave? I was fishing a tournament this year and I could see two other boats.We fished like this for about two hours. The other boats were too far away for me to see what they were doing. Then a convoy came in. Six other boats came in and joined the other two. One of those boats had called some buddies. I guess it is the team approach.

I dont understand why/or go for the team concept. Why would you want to help out another boat or people for the fish. When there is money on the line or advancing to the regional or classic. I dont mind telling the competition at the end of the day a few secrets. But not everything, there is to much time and money invested to give it all away.

One day I pulled into a cove, where there was another guy fishing one side so I took the otherside. And we where both pointed for the back of the cove. After awhile the other guy wasnt catching any fish, and I had boated a few. He ran across the cove, in front of me about 30 feet and started fishing. So I did the opposite, I ran back over to the other side and started to catch fish where he didnt. We played the cat and mouse game for a good hour or so. I had a good laugh about catching fish where he couldnt. Just because one guy is catching fish, doesnt mean the other guy will. To many variables there for when it comes to fishing.

GABoy
06-03-2005, 01:38 PM
I dont understand why/or go for the team concept. Why would you want to help out another boat or people for the fish. When there is money on the line or advancing to the regional or classic. I dont mind telling the competition at the end of the day a few secrets. But not everything, there is to much time and money invested to give it all away.

One day I pulled into a cove, where there was another guy fishing one side so I took the otherside. And we where both pointed for the back of the cove. After awhile the other guy wasnt catching any fish, and I had boated a few. He ran across the cove, in front of me about 30 feet and started fishing. So I did the opposite, I ran back over to the other side and started to catch fish where he didnt. We played the cat and mouse game for a good hour or so. I had a good laugh about catching fish where he couldnt. Just because one guy is catching fish, doesnt mean the other guy will. To many variables there for when it comes to fishing.

That is a good point....you may be running double 1/32s and the other person running double 1/16s, well if they are below the fish they sure won't catch anything even if they are in the right spot.

You have jig-head size, amount of line, line diameter, color of jigs, speed you are trolling, action of your jig to name a few of the variables.....

CrappieLips
06-03-2005, 01:44 PM
TAE73;; When you swaped side's with him did you start catching the fish over there to, that really makes-um mad haha

TAE73
06-03-2005, 02:46 PM
I did catch a few, but not like I was. But it was more funny that he wasnt, I wasnt trolling or anything just casting to laydowns. That day it mattered on the jig color and retrieve. That day was filled with 2 boats that didnt have common courtesy, earlier I had found a real nice quite cover that had other laydowns. The cove was no wider than 50 feet, and about 100 yards deep. I was parked in the middle part. Another guy came back bass fishing, just the kind that only fish a couple of times a year. And you can tell the part timers people that only crappie fish during the spawn becuase they think thats the only time they bite. He saw me jerk a few crappie out of a laydown. I had my back turned to him, but all I could hear was rod boxes open up and tackle coming out. Well you guessed it, he started to crappie fish. Which I didnt care it was just funny how "monkey see, monkey do" kind of attitude people have. Needless to say I didnt see him boat many fish. I maybe young at 31 but I know to give people respect to a spot. There are to many others spots out there to hit.

SkyChimp
06-03-2005, 07:42 PM
Thanks the input. I suppose I let things like encroachment bother me more than it should.

Ranger375
06-04-2005, 07:59 AM
Just like any where in thsi world today. Whethe it is on the lake at Wallie World or some place else there seems to be a certain percentage of folks that think it is all about them. Thnak goodness these people are in the minority. Let's keep it that way.

Personally if somebody pulls up right next to me while I'm fishing I've found that striking up a conversation helps to remove the anger factor. I've had several folks in the course of conversation tell me about better spots ( not just saying something to get me to leave). I in turn like to help them and who knows maybe I'll make another long term friend.

King Crappie
06-05-2005, 07:20 PM
I fish alot of tournys and this would not happen... Same rules apply about the trolling motor being down and 50 yards away... Every tourny fishermen ive ever ran acrossed would never even come close to you... Even if they see ya pull a mess of fish from your hole...

CrappieLips
06-05-2005, 08:56 PM
A few bad apples don't spoil the hole bunch, Same with fishermen The majority of fishermen are great people, polite,respectful,and helpful when in need. Then there's those few bad apples, HEY whatcha gonna do. fish ON.......

Fishnbuddy
06-05-2005, 09:10 PM
The older I get, the less competitive I am. I was that way at one time, for sure, but when you reach a certain age it's more about enjoying the day, not who's first, or best. As I look back, I wish I had spent more time enjoying the day instead of striving for the gold.

I remember something my father told me a long time ago. He said when you go in the woods leave as little trail as possible, try not to disturb the peacefulness or the ground you walk on. When you come across something, like a bear or snake or alligator, leave it alone, go around it, let it be. You'll both enjoy the day a lot more.

I wish I had pair more attention to him back then. It would have given me a lot more satisfaction than striving for the wind.

crappieken
06-16-2005, 04:46 PM
One of the guys on our local crappie website said he was working a point and a houseboat buzzed him within twenty feet of his boat and the occupants were all girls who proceeded to moon him. They then traveled onto a flat in a foot or two of water and got stuck on the flat. He reported that he picked up his floating marker, waved good-by to the girls and headed for another point. I figured they didn't want any help from him as they were too embarrassed to show their faces. hee-hee