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Garyoutlaw
04-11-2008, 02:28 AM
I love the feel I get when I fishing #4 Fireline & have never noticed a problem fishing w/o a mono leader but met a fella who told me I was missing lots of Fish this way.. I mostly fish stained water so never thought it was a problem

CrappiePappy
04-11-2008, 03:13 AM
I love the feel I get when I fishing #4 Fireline & have never noticed a problem fishing w/o a mono leader but met a fella who told me I was missing lots of Fish this way.. I mostly fish stained water so never thought it was a problem

I fish with 4lb gold & chartreuse hi-vis monos ... in all water clarities. My PowerPro is 10/2 and hi-vis yellow, and I don't use a leader. People fishing around, or with me, have used clear/blu mono ... and haven't done better. At least, not "better" enough for me to consider using a leader.

Ain't much way to tell if you're "missing lots of fish", by not using a leader ... 'cause, if'n you ain't catchin 'em, how do you know they're there :p ... and if you are catchin 'em, you obviously don't need a leader :D

But, next time you're on fish ... tell your partner to try a leader (or you do it) and see if it makes all that much difference. ;) Maybe in real clear water, on heavily pressured fish, that were in a neutral mood ... it might make a difference. Otherwise, I'm of the mind that the fish are much more interested in your bait, than your line !!

... cp :cool:

slab_slayin_fool
04-11-2008, 03:42 AM
i totally agree with crappiepappy i really don't think fish care what type line your using

i think maybe what the guy was trying to say would be feeling the fish bite maybe with heavier lines or different kinds mono/braid you wont feel the really light bite as well but if that was the case i would have to say that the rod has a lot to do with that

skiptomylu
04-11-2008, 06:58 AM
Have you ever seen that contraption that many used back when that is made from a brazing or welding rod? It is hammered flat on the ends and a place to tie it on and a hook on the other end. It is to make it easier to get away from snags and they work. I don't use them, but they can still be found at some places.

I figure if they will hit that welding rod they will hit my hi vis yellow Power Pro or my Mr. Crappie 6# hi vis yellow.

I have started to experiment though with tying a leader on my Power Pro just to see, but no results yet.

Skip

Guy Skinner
04-11-2008, 08:04 AM
Not only do the crappie not spook from the hi viz lines; they actually are curious enough that they will come up to it to look at it (I've seen this countless times in large aquariums). I use Stren 4/14 in gold, never with a leader, and I catch my share of crappie. This leader thing on braided lines started with the bass guys; as they are taught from birth that a bass won't eat your jig if he can see your line. Whatever blows their skirts up. Honestly, if you're going to all the trouble to put a leader on your braided line, you're wasting time not spent fishing.

joejv4
04-11-2008, 08:28 AM
I know I'm probably wasting time, but I use about 2' of fluorocarbon as a leader on my FireLine. Since I do fish for trout with the same rod, it's just a habit. Can't say it makes any difference on crappie, but it does with trout.

TxBigRed
04-11-2008, 08:37 AM
Well I usually tie a 5-8' 6lbs leader on mine. When trolling, I catch more fish than the old man I fish with...he doesn't tie a leader on. Also where I fish ( Toledo Bend) is full of stick ups, and hang ups are common. I would rather it break off on the mono than the braid.
just my .02

Dave

joejv4
04-11-2008, 09:25 AM
Well I usually tie a 5-8' 6lbs leader on mine. When trolling, I catch more fish than the old man I fish with...he doesn't tie a leader on. Also where I fish ( Toledo Bend) is full of stick ups, and hang ups are common. I would rather it break off on the mono than the braid.
just my .02

Dave

Good point Dave... break-off's. superbraid is expensive compared to mono or a small piece of fluoro. I like to spool up just before ice-out and try to get a full season out of a spool full of braid. Having a breakoff at the leader only leaves a little line in the water, where with braid alone, best you can do is cut it off as far below the water as you can reach - leaving more line in the water.

DC Crappie Kid
04-11-2008, 09:30 AM
I know I'm probably wasting time, but I use about 2' of fluorocarbon as a leader on my FireLine. Since I do fish for trout with the same rod, it's just a habit. Can't say it makes any difference on crappie, but it does with trout.

Agreed. I use my light tackle for trout on occasion and the leader makes a HUGE difference. Can't say that I can prove it with crappie, 'cause I haven't tried without it.

LBM
04-11-2008, 09:40 AM
Fishing with a slip bobber and braid using minnows I like to use a lighter mono leader so I don't loose the slip bobber set up if I have to break off. If I break off I only have the leader and hook to tie back on.

As for Skips post I've never seen any to buy but do make my own. When using them I try to find the thickest nasty brush I can find to drop the minnows into.

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I don't fish for trout and the only clear water around here is what comes out of the faucets.:)

chaunc
04-11-2008, 10:14 AM
Have to disagree with some of you. I dont do well with hi-vis line. I also dont care for braids for crappie fishing. I've tried them. I catch a greater number of fish on 4lb clear than any other type of line. I still have a setup for deepwater perching with fireline but thats for 50ft water and i need less strech for that. I also use braids for walleye trolling.

TxBigRed
04-11-2008, 10:56 AM
Have to disagree with some of you. I dont do well with hi-vis line. I also dont care for braids for crappie fishing. I've tried them. I catch a greater number of fish on 4lb clear than any other type of line. I still have a setup for deepwater perching with fireline but thats for 50ft water and i need less strech for that. I also use braids for walleye trolling.


Hey, what ever works for you right? The main advantage of using braids for me is for trolling. Nothing worse than line twist on a spinning reel. The braid still twists, but does not manifest itself like mono does.

Dave

funfishing
04-11-2008, 11:45 AM
I fish lake Keowee in SC and it is a very clear lake and did notice I did better with 4# leader, but I got some of that new stren microfuse(i think that was the name of it) in 8/3 and fished half my rods with it and the other half 8#test mono with 4# test leaders and did not really notice a difference in the bite. But that is night fishing where you usually don't get hung up. Sometimes get a good size cat while night fishing and was thinking if the braid worked out I would not worry as much about breaking off. So far I like it. If I got hung up a lot the mono leader makes sense.

rancrappie
04-11-2008, 12:55 PM
i use spiderwire stealf ,no leader

Crappie Obsessed
04-11-2008, 12:59 PM
If your afraid your missing fish, esp in clear water I would use a 4 or 6 lb flourocarbon leader, still has the same no stretch sensitivity.

lag
04-11-2008, 01:44 PM
I recently set up my spider rig and haven't gotten everything consistent. I ran 6 poles with jigs and had everything mixed up to see what worked. I have one 9 foot WM pole with a Pfluger ultralite reel and 4 lb mono. (It's my small stream wading also) I have two B & M 10 ft with spinning reels and MR Crappie 4 lb camo. I have two B&M 12 ft with bait casting and fireline stealth 4 lb. One of the Zebco bill dance crappie poles (12 ft) with Mr Crappie hi viz. Fished all of them for a week under different conditions and kept up with the results and it was almost identical. As I started to switch the jigs to the colors that worked and to the right depth it was almost no difference I can see. I fished one afternoon in the bushes and used the 12 ft with the braid and it worked fine. Broke off and went to one of the camo line 10 ft I had set up for backup and didn't change a thing. The water was slightly stained. You could see the jig about 2 to 3 feet deep.

Now I think I'm confused. I don't know which way to go.

chaunc
04-11-2008, 01:52 PM
If it works for you, dont change a thing.

joejv4
04-11-2008, 01:55 PM
I recently set up my spider rig and haven't gotten everything consistent. I ran 6 poles with jigs and had everything mixed up to see what worked. I have one 9 foot WM pole with a Pfluger ultralite reel and 4 lb mono. (It's my small stream wading also) I have two B & M 10 ft with spinning reels and MR Crappie 4 lb camo. I have two B&M 12 ft with bait casting and fireline stealth 4 lb. One of the Zebco bill dance crappie poles (12 ft) with Mr Crappie hi viz. Fished all of them for a week under different conditions and kept up with the results and it was almost identical. As I started to switch the jigs to the colors that worked and to the right depth it was almost no difference I can see. I fished one afternoon in the bushes and used the 12 ft with the braid and it worked fine. Broke off and went to one of the camo line 10 ft I had set up for backup and didn't change a thing. The water was slightly stained. You could see the jig about 2 to 3 feet deep.

Now I think I'm confused. I don't know which way to go.

Don't be confused, sounds to me like you're catching fish across the board - regardless of the line you're using. If whatever you're doing is working, that means it ain't broke, so don't fix it.

Main reason I use the leader on my rod with braid on it is because I also use that rod for trout. The second reason is because I'm cheap and if I'm gonna break off on a hang-up, I'd rather lose a foot or so of mono or flouro than the more expensive braid in a length that could be close to as long as the water is deep.

I haven't known anybody that has been able to say that using a leader for crappie makes enough of a difference to start using one (other than in high pressure, gin-clear water, and then it's a maybe), so I'm going to go on the premise that it really boils down to personal preference.