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BeauxBeaux
04-06-2005, 02:12 PM
What would you do if access to your favorite waterway was gated off? Well, it has been happening in S. Louisiana for years. We elected our 1st female governor who ran as the sportsmans friend. Turns out she is the sportsman's friend just as John Kerry, even posing as a duck hunter. CCA refuses to assist us with many of its members deserting its ranks until CCA said they would ask the governor to appoint still another committee. An example of this occured during a Bassmasters tournament by harassing the fishermen with airboats and firing a shotgun. This could happen to anyone here. I have written to all members of our legislator and recievied about 6 positive replies. As they say
"La has the best politicans money can buy," thanks beaux
http://www.crappie.com/gr8vb3/attachment.php?attachmentid=1253&stc=1

crappieseeker
04-06-2005, 02:35 PM
We use to have some great fishing areas here that have been gated off or restructured for duck hunters. It has ruined some very good fishing. I have nothing against you duck hunters, but I think they should take into consideration that there are many areas that are not used by fisherman that would make for great duck hunting. They shouldnt destroy one to help another.

TAE73
04-06-2005, 02:48 PM
I cant see how they can block you from fishing. They dont own the water, yes they might own the land underneath. But in Missouri we had a simular problem with land owners and streams flowing through. This went as far to the Missouri supreme court. Courts ruled if it was navigiatble then it was public water. You must enter the water at a public access and take out. But you could float down in canoe through private property just where not allowed to leave the confinds of the water. If I lived down there, there would be a few missing gates or fences being removed by some tnt. Sorry to hear about this, just thinking about it while writing this really burns butt. If someone had the money and time I would challenge this in court. To bad you could buy the land just before getting to there place and close it off to duck hunters so they couldnt access there places.

BeauxBeaux
04-06-2005, 04:15 PM
Fellas we've tried, believe me. You can't fight big money. It was written "Whoever controls the food, controls the people." They have just about gotten rid of the commercial fishermen, trappers, and as it appears the shrimpers are not far behind. Everytime a bill concerning this issue is brought up it is rejected because of pressure from above. What gets me is that billions of our tax dollars are being used to protct these same areas. They passed a law a couple of years ago that they don't even have to post an area anymore, your supposed to know where you are at. beaux

DmDuck
04-06-2005, 04:20 PM
I'd go as far as contacting Fish and Wildlife or even the Corps of Engineers about public waterways , I do know each State is different in it's defintion of Navigatable waterways , but I also believe there's Federal Guidelines when it comes to waterways that are considered "commercial " transit routes ...ect ect .
I duck hunt , but I fish too .... we're all Sportsmen/women ..... but I'd fight it tooth and nail if the gatebuilders were in the wrong .

Depending how close you are to the coast , you may even contact the US Coast Guard !!

Kokanee King
04-06-2005, 04:44 PM
That stuff is happening here in washington to. People have been blocking the roads to some the the lakes when they have no right to do so. But on some of thoes people have put up gates and all you have to do is call up the sheriff and he will come up and cut the lock for ya. some people are just jerks.

BeauxBeaux
04-06-2005, 06:38 PM
That stuff is happening here in washington to. People have been blocking the roads to some the the lakes when they have no right to do so. But on some of thoes people have put up gates and all you have to do is call up the sheriff and he will come up and cut the lock for ya. some people are just jerks.
the sheriff in our parish has one of the camps that goes with the officeand some dupities and game wardens work part-time for the land owners. Its complicated here and they have very deep pockets and they covered all the bases. If someone gets close they usually buy them off but its all hidden. There are just so many places tp fish here that we go somewhere else but those are being overfished for theis reason. But the state and fed constution says its illegal

fiddlefarter
04-06-2005, 07:37 PM
Burn that little shack next to the gate late one night after a few beers. Actually I'm surprised someone hasn't done that yet! You could probably light that marsh grass on fire when the wind is right too...Nevermind I don't want you to go to jail and not get to crappie fish at all.

BeauxBeaux
04-06-2005, 08:03 PM
you can catch just about any kind of fish U want where that gate is,fresh or salt, and yes many have been torn down, some by tugs, or so I hear

fishingpox
04-06-2005, 08:12 PM
Thats bad Beaux. I live near the Mississippi River in Arkansas. There are many oxbow lakes in this area. My problem is every year I pay levee taxes. When I was a kid the levees were open to ride on. Today several miles of the levee is gated off by farmers who lease the levee for cattle grazing areas.And I help pay to maintain the levee. I just don't think it is right. I got a few years older...I know i'm in the wrong...sometimes a young little calf would come up missing.

tarfu
04-06-2005, 08:18 PM
howdy; $0.02 into the pot. if some of your local commercial fishermen and shrimpers use the waterway to transit to and from harvest area to market and there are any aids to naviagation in water or on shore the coast guard should know, and if the commercial guys happen to work or i should say utilize ports in MORE than one state then the interstate commerce commision needs to be notified that people are RESTRICTING interstate commerce.
that's all i got to say about that. tarfu

labill
04-06-2005, 08:58 PM
Guys, there are many contingencies that come into play here, and it's encapsulated in a one liner I've heard all my life, especially in business. It ain't right, but it does rule........"Money talks and BS walks" There are ways around anything if you have money and influence, but how many of us do? We would have to break the law to get what's right in this world, but there again, we don't have money, and we will do time. Once again, it ain't right, but it rules. :mad:

Moose1am
04-07-2005, 03:19 AM
Well they have a republican Governor in KY and that state is allowing dock owners (republicans) to wall off the area around their docks (including some bays) to fishermen. They seem to have a dislike for crank baits hitting the expensive boat seats and ripping holes in the upholstery. So they (Marina Operators/Owners have gone to the local goverment and obtain the rights to the waters around their docks on some but not all lakes in the state of KY.


In IN we have two Boat Marinas and both have no wake zones around them. But no one has stopped anyone from fishing around the docks.

Check out the www.fishin.com (http://www.fishin.com) KY web site forum and do a search on this topic.

Money talks and it does not matter what political party the govenor belongs to.

Remember the story of Robin Hood and the Sherrif of Notaham Forest? Seems that even back then the Rich King wanted the deer all to himself.

Moose1am
04-07-2005, 03:26 AM
Our forefathers broke the laws of King George but we call them Patriots today and back them King George called them criminals. But the guys with the biggest guns usually decide what laws are valid etc.

The King of France found out that money didn't always talk. The people got fed up with his BS and marched on Paris grabbed King Louie and his wife and put them to the Gillatine and off with their heads.

The South almost succeeded from this United States back in 1863 but failed to do so. But they sure tried for four long years.

Things can change if the people want things to change

Right now the price of gasoline has reached $2.26 a gallon here and oil is selling at $58 a barrel. Something will have to give soon or this country will not have a middle class much longer. Will will end up with a few kings and the rest of us will be SERFS.



Guys, there are many contingencies that come into play here, and it's encapsulated in a one liner I've heard all my life, especially in business. It ain't right, but it does rule........"Money talks and BS walks" There are ways around anything if you have money and influence, but how many of us do? We would have to break the law to get what's right in this world, but there again, we don't have money, and we will do time. Once again, it ain't right, but it rules. :mad:

fishingpox
04-07-2005, 05:40 AM
I wonder if we could organize a workout? Everyone that has a job,lay off one week,with no vacation,sick leave,any kind of pay. I wonder where they would get their tax dollars. Hell, running a deficit doesn't appear to bother them.







Our forefathers broke the laws of King George but we call them Patriots today and back them King George called them criminals. But the guys with the biggest guns usually decide what laws are valid etc.

The King of France found out that money didn't always talk. The people got fed up with his BS and marched on Paris grabbed King Louie and his wife and put them to the Gillatine and off with their heads.

The South almost succeeded from this United States back in 1863 but failed to do so. But they sure tried for four long years.

Things can change if the people want things to change

Right now the price of gasoline has reached $2.26 a gallon here and oil is selling at $58 a barrel. Something will have to give soon or this country will not have a middle class much longer. Will will end up with a few kings and the rest of us will be SERFS.

lakeman
04-07-2005, 05:21 PM
They seem to have a dislike for crank baits hitting the expensive boat seats and ripping holes in the upholstery

You would be surprised at the damage that so called "BASS MASTERS" cause on the lakefront. And on my pontoon, and crappy boat at my dock I do not have the expensive boat seats they have in them 20/30,000 dollar bass boats. Mass Ba$$turds (bass master wanna be's) are the scourge of the waterways, blasting by you while you are fishing, nearly swamping you, eroding the shorelines with their wake. Used to be the fishermen were in the slowest boats on the water, but these idiots need a 200HP motor to get to the next neck or cove. :D

BeauxBeaux
04-07-2005, 06:56 PM
Amen lakeman, seems there is the same problem everywhere

TAE73
04-07-2005, 09:35 PM
You would be surprised at the damage that so called "BASS MASTERS" cause on the lakefront. And on my pontoon, and crappy boat at my dock I do not have the expensive boat seats they have in them 20/30,000 dollar bass boats. Mass Ba$$turds (bass master wanna be's) are the scourge of the waterways, blasting by you while you are fishing, nearly swamping you, eroding the shorelines with their wake. Used to be the fishermen were in the slowest boats on the water, but these idiots need a 200HP motor to get to the next neck or cove. :D

I hate to tell ya, but a bass boat going at full tilt on the pad. Does not put out much of a wake. A boat going 20 and not trimmed up properly gives out alot more of a wake. Yes there are some of them that have no curtuisy to other fisherman. But its not just the bass fisherman its the crappie fisherman, skiers and those darn water fleas also. Some people do not have the curtiousy like they use too. And I am still young and wet behind the ears but I was raised better. And yes I do have a 200 on the back of my boat, but if there is someone else fishing in the same cove I will idle out past them then drop the hammer down. And the reason why I have the big motor is I would rather spend more time fishing than moving from spot to spot and to run as far away from the other boats on the water and go up the lake.

If you want to see damage to a lake, come on down in the summer to Lake of the Ozarks in Mid Missouri. I would rather see a 1000 bass boats instead of 1000 offshore boats going 80+. I am talking boats that have to be hauled in by semi's and then lifted off by a crane. Any boat under 20' is to small for this lake. I have seen a 30 foot scrab sink becuase of rough water on this lake.

Moose1am
04-07-2005, 10:33 PM
You are absolutely right about a boat going fast and in good trim and on plane not making a big wake. It's when the boat is not trimmed right that it puts out a big wake. You see a boat going 10 mph with it's nose up high in the water and the back end sitting deep in the water and then you will see the biggest waves produced by that boat. You either go very slow or very fast to produce almost no wake. But those middle speeds are what produce the biggest wakes and those are the wakes that rock your world. Anyone that has spend time on the water will know this to be true.

But when a boat starts up and accelerated or comes into a bay and slows down it will produce a big wake and that wake can travel a long distance across the lake until it hits the shoreline or something to stop it.

lebruce
04-08-2005, 07:08 PM
Hey all, I don't know if any of you ever came across or heard of this site before.This is a real interesting site for info ,check it out and let me know what you think. The National Rivers Website -- River law: (http://www.nationalrivers.org/us-law-menu.htm)

BeauxBeaux
04-08-2005, 07:47 PM
There are problems everywhere. Since the gps waypts became popular their are lots of folks that have never operated a boat that go out and buy one of those big 30-40 thou. offshore boats. They go to the waypt and there will be a group of boats fishing an area. These yahoos run wide open into the middle of the crowd, shut down and throw the anchor. Sure ruins a good day of fishing fast. Whats a man to do. beaux

Patrick Vowell
04-08-2005, 08:05 PM
Leave me out of that moose. I know Tim personally, and I know how red he will get over stuff. I want no part of condemnation.

I am pretty pollite when tourney fishing or guiding. But sometimes when there is money on the line, you gotta do what you've gotta do.

Moose1am
04-08-2005, 08:41 PM
I found you to be polite and easy going even when fishing for the Money. I removed your name from my earlier post as per your request.

I don't ever see Tim posting in here but maybe he will read this and get the hint. If not I am sure that someone will tell him to slow down in the furture when he comes into a bay where people are already fishing.

The point I was really trying to make was that when the boat is in a bow up position the back end of the boat throws more of a wave out. I would rather see someone come in fast on plane or stop and go very slow on plane but speeds inbetween slow and fast seem to be worse as far as making bigger waves.

We all make mistakes from time to time. Even the people that fish for a living or guide can make a wave once in a while. It just comes with the territory.

No reason to see red over a wave or two.

tarfu
04-09-2005, 07:58 AM
Hey all, I don't know if any of you ever came across or heard of this site before.This is a real interesting site for info ,check it out and let me know what you think. The National Rivers Website -- River law: (http://www.nationalrivers.org/us-law-menu.htm)

howdy; checked out the website lebruce pointed out. check-out sections 29 -31. read the rest too it all makes perfect sence to me. don't just read sections 1- whatever and think you've got what you need. read the whole thing, it'll make more and better sence. tarfu