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Atimm693
12-16-2018, 01:35 PM
I have a question. Been doing a lot more brush fishing now that I have good enough electronics to find and stay on them.

Under what conditions do you consider it "safe" to park the boat on top of a brush pile and either fish vertically or cast and retrieve around the edges?

catchNgrease
12-16-2018, 01:38 PM
Safe from what?

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CrappiePappy
12-16-2018, 02:30 PM
Safe from what?

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I think he means "safe" from spooking the school.

IMHO ... it's dependent upon so many different factors that I don't do it if/when it can be avoided. In open water circumstances, I'll drop a marker (or pop the map up on my depth finder) and attempt to cast to the brush from a distance. THEN, after I'm convinced that I've worked the brush over pretty good & haven't had a thump in the last several casts, I "may" ease over top of the brush and fish it vertically. And that's only when I've got a good depth of water over the brush and/or the water is not very clear. :twocents

crappie wrangler
12-16-2018, 04:46 PM
If the water is real clear stay back and cast or use slip cork. If it is stained or deep you can get right on top of them. A little chop on the water helps with getting close.

Grainraiser
12-16-2018, 08:32 PM
It really depends on how deep the brushpile is and the clarity of the water. I can say for certain that crappie will get spooked by the shadow of the boat. My lakes are pretty stained so I back off any brushpiles that are 10ft or shallower. Anything over 10ft I sneak up on them with my trolling motor.

jackie53
12-16-2018, 08:40 PM
We Fish a lot of deep brush on clear lakes.
With the Advance of Good electronics Espically with transducer on trolling motor.
If you watch you can see turbulence From trolling motor Prop."we call wash"
On your locater.
We Run Garmin.
My Trolling motor on high can see the Turbulence 20' .
You know this is being felt by the Fish!!
We have pulled up to a pile catch 1 or 2 fish .
The Fish vanish from the screen.
You know you spooked them.
Back off down wind just enough to make a good cast.
After a few times you will figure out how much is to close.
Good Fishing.

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Atimm693
12-16-2018, 10:07 PM
I think he means "safe" from spooking the school.

IMHO ... it's dependent upon so many different factors that I don't do it if/when it can be avoided. In open water circumstances, I'll drop a marker (or pop the map up on my depth finder) and attempt to cast to the brush from a distance. THEN, after I'm convinced that I've worked the brush over pretty good & haven't had a thump in the last several casts, I "may" ease over top of the brush and fish it vertically. And that's only when I've got a good depth of water over the brush and/or the water is not very clear. :twocents

Correct.

What would you guys consider to be "deep enough"?

catchNgrease
12-16-2018, 10:08 PM
5'

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scrat
12-16-2018, 10:26 PM
I like to mark the brush pile with a buoy then cast in and around it trying not to disturb it no more than possible to start with. If too many eyes are around using the target on your sonar you can set it at different distances to know where it is to cast to the brush pile also. Also if conditions are deep water or dark water I like to vertical fish it like CrappiePappy said. CrappiePappy has a great article on vertical casting also.:twocents

eagle 1
12-17-2018, 05:46 AM
Crappy 1 on here set up my depth finder (Helix-9)so that it shows casting rings on each way point . 12 ft, casting rings and using a 12 ft. b/m Sam Heaton jigging pole is my favorite way to fish .

crappie wrangler
12-17-2018, 09:20 AM
When you asked "what is deep enough" I assume you mean what is deep enough to get close to the fish. My home lake is stained right now so even though 20' would be deep enough to get right on top of them I am not catching anything under 30'. There are other important factors to consider other than water clarity.

Wind makes a big difference. If possible approach from the down wind side and keep the nose of your boat into the wind to prevent throwing your trolling motor's backwash into the area you are fishing. If necessary let the wind push you away from the brush pile so that you aren't using your trolling motor right on top of your fish. There are times on calm days I can see the fish spook out of the brush pile just from the motor noise and I have a quite trolling motor (I learned this from striper fishing). If there is a little wind to provide surface noise then the trolling motor noise is not as big a problem.

Mounting position of the trolling motor makes a difference also. If your Trolling motor is mounted so that it throws the back wash down instead of strait out the back of the boat that would be a problem that needs to be corrected. Also, don't run the trolling motor any faster than the minimum to hold your position which will provide less back wash.

Another noise issue that is often over looked is the sound that some Sonar units make. Some units I can actually hear the sound they produce to return an echo to make an image. I figure if I can hear it the fish can also. Admittedly I have a very sensitive sense of hearing. Most newer models are quieter but if you are using an older sonar unit that might be worth considering. In years past i would just turn mine off once I knew where my brush was but these days I leave mine on so that I can watch my jig enter the brush or stay just above the brush.


Many people use long rods to stay back from the brush pile. I do just fine with a 7' ultra-light bait casting rods. which I can either vertical jig or cast a retrieve with. Not saying anything is wrong with a long rod. Use what you like and adjust accordingly.

As mentioned earlier, in clear water your boats shadow can make a difference but you also want to consider the sun's position in that assessment. Your shadow is only directly under the boat when the sun is directly over your head.

In the end nothing beats experience gained by time spent on the water and fishing with other very experienced fisherman can greatly speed up that process. Different people follow different patterns. This time of year my lake is usually very clear and I am fishing 50' deep. nothing I do on the surface seems to make a difference (so long as I don't drop a box of tools on the boat floor :) ). I have a friend that fishes 10' or less year round. He has to pay particular attention to the noise he makes to keep from spooking the fish. We both catch fish more often than not so for our cases we are both right but have different preferences.

As is evident by now, if those offering advice spend time writing down what they do instinctively you will end up with many a long response and those posting will have tired fingers. Everything mentioned so far on this thread is helpful but fisherman do a lot on instinct developed over years so typing every condition can be cumbersome and many things overlooked. Realistically anyone can only absorb so much at a time and then need to go out and fish.

I think I need to go out and fish now :) .

crappie wrangler
12-17-2018, 09:40 AM
I think I strained a couple of fingers typing such a long post. :)

crappie wrangler
12-17-2018, 10:11 AM
I think I can still set a hook so I’ll be ok. :)

crappie wrangler
12-17-2018, 07:58 PM
I took my own advise today

Barnettcrew
12-18-2018, 10:22 AM
Lots of good points crappie wrangler. I, for one, appreciate the long well thought out posts. It certainly helps guys like myself that are serious about learning.


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Peewee59
12-19-2018, 12:53 AM
Some great advise here. My humble suggestion is simply pay attention and keep records. Try different things and pay attention to how it affects the fish. I tend to remember more from my own mistakes and experiences. That being said you can still glean a whole lot of good knowledge reading will thought out posts from good fishermen.

catchNgrease
12-19-2018, 09:41 PM
Some great advise here. My humble suggestion is simply pay attention and keep records. Try different things and pay attention to how it affects the fish. I tend to remember more from my own mistakes and experiences. That being said you can still glean a whole lot of good knowledge reading will thought out posts from good fishermen.When I started back fishing a few years ago was right about the time I switched to a smart phone. Imagine me asking my 18 year old daughter how to download a diary app. It allows me download pictures and text of the days events. Cycled through the first year with it and it had maybe 20 entries. I knew I had fished more than that. I finally realized I wasn't recording my bad days. And I think they are as important as the good days.

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