just spoke with my friend jeff. he has had 3 great days at shenango off the golden run area. he was using a jig/rubber minnow tipped with magot. he and his boy got 42 friday, 39, saturday and 36 today he fished approx. from 9:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m. all of the crappie he kept were in the 13-14" range. he reports 6" of good, safe ice and only 8 guys out today at golden run area. Stump Jumper