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Cane Pole
08-04-2017, 09:37 AM
Been working on these charts for some time now. The charts should apply to both push and pull with in line weights. The whole idea is to shorten up the line out. These charts are accurate. There is no guess work to it.

The procedure takes time, especially the data entry spreadsheets. You will be able to view these charts on your iphone.

As stated before, this is a two man job when charting. I can't do the charting by myself. The charts will be free to everyone. This is probably my last hurrah and I have a long way to go before I cross the finish line.

Here is the chart link. Take a look and I am open for suggestions and discussions.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PMYZ9haw72xZyIFRNhl04LoVIDwFvF5elK_kDIRgcz4/edit?usp=sharing


(https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PMYZ9haw72xZyIFRNhl04LoVIDwFvF5elK_kDIRgcz4/edit?usp=sharing)

short grub
08-04-2017, 09:47 AM
Wow great job Cane Pole, that looks great and I'm sure it took some time to gather and compile that info and I will be the first to say thank you very much for your time doing all this.

Great Job Sir.

Mike1234
08-04-2017, 10:05 AM
Man your a genius.


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broharrell
08-04-2017, 10:30 AM
Thanks Canepole!

crp4570
08-04-2017, 10:39 AM
Appreciate all you do. I know it was a sacrifice being in the boat supervising blueball. :Rofl

Cane Pole
08-04-2017, 10:48 AM
No doubt. Blueball is a super guy.:ThumbsUp:ThumbsUp

cause
08-04-2017, 11:34 AM
This is awesome. Thanks so much for doing this, more importantly thank you for sharing this.

M R Dux
08-04-2017, 01:19 PM
Thanks to you Tom, Miss Brenda, and Jamie for all your hard work and for her putting up with the 2 of you.

scrat
08-04-2017, 02:04 PM
Thanks for sharing all this with us. :ThumbsUp

bowmender
08-04-2017, 02:20 PM
Thats great!! Nice job!

Cane Pole
08-04-2017, 02:22 PM
We have lots of scans to go. This is an endless task. This is just the results of the 1 oz scan. There will be volumes of data in the future and it will be accessible thru your iphone or here on c.com as soon as I get all the loose ends figured out.

This is my gift to everyone on c.com. Use it but don't abuse it. It is my copyright.

jaxsprat
08-04-2017, 04:13 PM
quote"This is probably my last hurrah" -------And what a great HURRAH it is!!!!!!!!!! What a great guy you is Cane pole

Hillbilly4949
08-04-2017, 04:46 PM
Thanks for sharing Canepole


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Mike1234
08-04-2017, 04:52 PM
Thank you sir.


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trypman1
08-04-2017, 05:05 PM
Thank you much.:biggrin

cevans
08-04-2017, 05:43 PM
Thanks for the chart. Can you double check it to make sure your right? :Rofl Seriously, Awesome job!

Billbob
08-05-2017, 04:03 PM
b there soon pal

volsdad
08-06-2017, 09:09 AM
Thanks for sharing.

dhaire
08-06-2017, 10:16 AM
Thank you for such a great present.


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genec
08-06-2017, 03:38 PM
GOOD JOB AS USUAL TOM,NOW TO DO JIGS

Crappieplasticm
08-07-2017, 08:20 AM
Any way to get a pict of this chart. I can't seem to see it all on phone

Hat55
08-07-2017, 08:47 AM
Thank you so much.

DaveB40
08-07-2017, 09:08 AM
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/c5/b8/e8/c5b8e8e90d2682da0d9bf39ec0043ae3--smiley-emoji-smiley-faces.jpg (https://www.pinterest.com/pin/548805904569379689/) GREAT job "canepole"!!!!
Thank you once again.

ShilohRed
08-07-2017, 09:41 AM
Tom if my back will get where I can get out. Would be happy to run up and help you out if you need me to. Not worth much, but can take up space on the boat. And do part of what you tell me to do. And thanks for the hard work. Glad to know someone as smart as you. Makes me smarter just knowing you.

Also what size line are you using for these test? And wondering with the weights, will changing the line size a pound or 2 make it run different?

Pete

Cane Pole
08-07-2017, 11:41 AM
Tom if my back will get where I can get out. Would be happy to run up and help you out if you need me to. Not worth much, but can take up space on the boat. And do part of what you tell me to do. And thanks for the hard work. Glad to know someone as smart as you. Makes me smarter just knowing you.

Also what size line are you using for these test? And wondering with the weights, will changing the line size a pound or 2 make it run different?
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Pete

I am using10#mono. Whatever was on sale. Seems like 10# is the most common line used in the posted charts. I will be doing some comparison of line size after I finish off the bandits and a few rattletrap sizes (2 inch and 1 3/4 inch from walmart). I am really just getting started.

You are more than welcome to join me. I ain't doing much until after Labor Day. After Labor Day, the army of jetters retreat.

Nutbush
08-07-2017, 12:25 PM
Thanks for the hard work!! Would you reckon that 1/16 roadrunners would run about the same as the bandits?

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skunked again
08-07-2017, 12:51 PM
WOW! That's amazing, thank you!
Your gonna make me try this again!

Cane Pole
08-07-2017, 01:18 PM
Thanks for the hard work!! Would you reckon that 1/16 roadrunners would run about the same as the bandits?

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No, but that road runner will have it's own chart.

What we discovered is that the Bandits tend to lift the weights in the water column some. Also at 1.2 mph with 10 ft line out, the Bandit 200 ran in line with the weight. There was no identifying distinct line for both. This surprised me and bluebasll.

sandmt
08-15-2017, 09:18 AM
Thank you much.:biggrin


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blueball
03-07-2018, 03:10 PM
What happened to the depth chart,I don't see it when I click on it

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CrappiePappy
03-07-2018, 04:38 PM
What happened to the depth chart,I don't see it when I click on it

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It's on Google Drive as a document. When I click on the link, I see the chart for a second & then a overlay pops up that says it will be deleted soon & I need to sign in to Google Drive and copy it. I can't even copy the chart, because the overlay memo pops up too quickly for me to left click on the chart.

Maybe Tom can copy it on his end and then post it to the Test Forum ... then anyone can copy/paste the chart from that image. The site becomes the hosting site for any images posted on here. That was something Slab did after the Photobucket fiasco happened.

Cane Pole
03-07-2018, 05:30 PM
first try chart...should be pretty accurate... These are my chosen troll speeds.

Cane Pole
03-07-2018, 05:46 PM
here 200 bandit chart

blueball
03-07-2018, 06:12 PM
here 200 bandit chartThanks Mr tom

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skunked again
03-07-2018, 06:22 PM
I'm reading both charts that, the slower - the deeper the lure. Correct?

Cane Pole
03-07-2018, 06:32 PM
I'm reading both charts that, the slower - the deeper the lure. Correct?

Correct.

skunked again
03-07-2018, 07:05 PM
Thank you. And a big thank you for posting this!

Boa3
03-07-2018, 07:26 PM
Wow thanks. This is going to be a lot of help.

cevans
03-08-2018, 04:42 AM
I wonder how much deeper the PICO’s will run as I find, they do run a dash deeper than the bandits and arkies. Or is it just me? :cheers2

Cane Pole
03-08-2018, 10:00 AM
I am just doing what is in my tackle box. Mostly bandits. I didn't see any major depth changes between Arkie and Bandit. The weight does the trick. I do know with 10 foot of line out and a 1oz weight only, the depth of the weight was eight feet. When I added the 300 Bandit, the Bandit was measured at 6 foot and the weight was art 5 foot. The bandit pulled the weight up in the water column by 3 foot. Blueball was with me when I did this measurement. I found this to be interesting. Again, this was 10 ft line out with 1oz inline weight and speed of 1.2mph. W saw very little change in depth between 1 and 1.2 mph. Again, the reason I started at 1.2 mph is because the is the average idle speed of my pontoon. Seemed like a good starting place.

Crappieplasticm
03-08-2018, 10:18 AM
Cane pole can you do the same thing with long line 1/32, 1/16, 1/8 jigs and combinations of them at 1.0 would be AWESOME for beginning long liners

Cane Pole
03-08-2018, 11:22 AM
Cane pole can you do the same thing with long line 1/32, 1/16, 1/8 jigs and combinations of them at 1.0 would be AWESOME for beginning long liners

Yes. I will be doing roadrunners with 1/2 oz weight first. That is what I mostly use. Don't have to put so much line out. I will be using line counters. Presently I cast out then measure (pull line at a arms length) out line til jig starts tapping the bottom. This puts me in the ballpark and is easy to do. I only use 4 poles long lining. after all, I am a seniors senior. I cast out first line and set. I cast next out, the strip 2 pull (bout 6 feet), Cast out 3rd and strip pull 4 times, cast out 4th and strip 6 times. This set the jigs at different depths. Ima looking for the sweet spot. This is the starting point setup. Strip line varies from here as frustration sets in. ha

This is how I do it. I don't know others routine. I never longline fish with anyone except myself. This in itself is a lot of company. Great conversations.

Crappieplasticm
03-08-2018, 01:25 PM
I just been casting out all same length but would be nice to know what depth the different size jigs were running say with a 60 ft cast which would be about Normal

Cane Pole
03-08-2018, 03:04 PM
I can only read back about 35ft max. Like I said, I use a inline weight or a crimp weight. Speed will control the depth. I will be charting this stuff. I try to limit line out so to allow for much better boat control. I have lots of coves in my area and it hard to long line hotspots if you have too much line out. I catch as many at 30 ft as I do 60 foot. But, that is just me. Lately, the fish have only one daddy. The ones I catch are 7-8 inches mostly. Must be the same daddy DNA. That my theory. It is as good as any out there.