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pescatore
03-06-2007, 09:09 PM
There is a thread entitled "people fishing your structure" in the Crappie Structure forum that I contributed to recently. The thread refers to structure placed in the water to attract and hold fish. Condo's they call them,Like it's a resort where the fish can vacation. In reality it's a spot that will attract fish, so that one can easily find them. It does provide habitat for the fish and that is a good thing. Whats missing as I read all these posts is any sense of conservation.i love to fish ,I'm probably not a very good fisherman because I seldom come home with more than 10. An old friend,long deceased, was an excellent fisherman and would fish 3 or 4 times per week. He would catch 3 or 4 fish,just enough for a meal for he and his wife,and then call it a night.
I would like for you to read the response I submitted to this thread And the response I got from my son,who lives in a neighboring state.
Response to thread:
Children,
I can't believe what I'm reading here. Years back when I lived in another area,we had a fishing club and every year at the clubs expense,we would acquire thousands of walleye eggs and hatch them,nurture them and when they became fingerling size,release them into lake Erie. Some of those fish were probably caught by Canadian fishermen. Our fish !! Can you imagine that. We went to all that trouble and expense,and someone else caught and ate the fish. We probably should have declared war on Canada,New York and Ohio. Does any of this ring a bell? The water is not yours or mine,neither are the fish,until you catch them. The cover you sank ( often times illegally) ceased to belong to you when you threw it overboard. And as far as guides go ,these people know darn well that you will visit those spots with your own boat. You only hired the guide because it was an unfamiliar area that you wanted to check out. Perhaps he should have brainwashed you or giver you electroshock therapy when you got off his boat,thereby making you forget where you were,then he could keep all the fish to himself.
I know full well that a good many of you will take exception to what I say here today,but take a moment,stand back,look in the mirror,and reflect on how foolish this is.
E mail from my son:
"Before you sent me the crappie link (about the argument on beds and docks) I had been reading it prior to your contributions. In the past I have seen pictures of these homemade beds. These people should realize how lucky they are that not only do they have time to go fishing a lot but to pour this much time into their hobby. A couple of months back I xrayed a guy who fishes lake Jordan. I asked him about Buggs, said he fished it but Jordan was better. He told me he went camping there for 3 days with his wife and son and brought back 900 crappie. When I applied for my boat registration the guy told me about someone he knew who got 400 in one day out of Wylie. He said the guy would not even tell him where it was. I say let them keep arguing because if the wardens can't catch them then maybe the stupid jerks will kill each other. "
The point I'm trying to make here is,I read too much of how we caught 100 today or we got the limit and then when back out and did it again. Seems to me we have an awful lot of very greedy and selfish people here. My posts generally are not greeted with a whole lot of enthusiasm and some are deleted by the censors(I think you call them moderators) but This is what I have observed reading these posts every night and this is something that I felt needed saying.

willsjwills
03-07-2007, 05:56 AM
Amen, brother. Sounds like greed. It's fun to catch'em, but i hate to clean'em, so I throw'em back so they can be caught another day. Keeping numbers just shows me how un-educated un-appreciative some folks are. :) :)

bugman
03-07-2007, 06:11 AM
It is just plain greedy to catch and keep numbers of fish like that but i think you're way out of line when you start calling folks here on crappie.com greedy and selfish,i've been around here for over 2 years and i cant recall ever seeing a post that said anything like that,these folks are here because we love to crappie fish not fill a freezer....you might want to rethink your post.

pescatore
03-07-2007, 08:03 AM
Re thought it. Stand by it. Maybe we dont read the same posts. I'm extra sure there are a multitude of fine people here,but I never read much about conservation.

CrappiePappy
03-07-2007, 09:31 AM
Re thought it. Stand by it. Maybe we dont read the same posts. I'm extra sure there are a multitude of fine people here,but I never read much about conservation.

While it may be true that some people say they catch 100, 200, or more Crappie in a day ... does that necessarily mean they "keep" that many ?? Are we even sure that they, in fact, "caught" that many ??
I don't know how many times I've guesstimated how many fish I've caught (or even kept) in a days trip ... and most of the time, I'm thinking of a number that's well past what the actual take was.
It could also be a case of having a lake that has no limit - size or numbers.

In any event, there are some "greedy" people out there ... and it's up to the rest of us to try and help them mend their ways. Calling them out probably won't do it ... turning them in is a possible deterent, since what they're doing (if illegally keeping more than the limit) is "poaching" - not "sport fishing". Problem there, though, is you'd have to actually be there and see them doing the deed. He said, she said - third party rumor - boasting/bragging - creative accounting .... doesn't prove a thing to the Warden, or the Judge.

Conservation is more than just a "numbers" game. Conservation is also - putting out habitat, taking home more trash/refuse than you took to the lake, paying for your license to fish, supporting organizations that promote your sport, and teaching the new up-and-coming generation that a fishing trip isn't always about how many fish you caught ;)

Crappie.com has well over 7000 registered users ... find me another organization of that size, that doesn't have its share of "greedy" people, rule benders & breakers, or even the occasional overcompetitive/creative truth stretcher. We're not a perfect bunch, but we do have a greater percentage of "sportsmen/women" members who are concerned with all aspects of the sport, and conservation minded.

....... cp :cool:

ShortStorie
03-07-2007, 09:43 AM
I'm practicing conservation just by getting on the lake... I take space away from someone who might actually catch fish!

fingerlicken
03-07-2007, 10:19 AM
I agree with you bugman!

pescatore
03-07-2007, 01:48 PM
While it may be true that some people say they catch 100, 200, or more Crappie in a day ... does that necessarily mean they "keep" that many ?? Are we even sure that they, in fact, "caught" that many ??
I don't know how many times I've guesstimated how many fish I've caught (or even kept) in a days trip ... and most of the time, I'm thinking of a number that's well past what the actual take was.
It could also be a case of having a lake that has no limit - size or numbers.

In any event, there are some "greedy" people out there ... and it's up to the rest of us to try and help them mend their ways. Calling them out probably won't do it ... turning them in is a possible deterent, since what they're doing (if illegally keeping more than the limit) is "poaching" - not "sport fishing". Problem there, though, is you'd have to actually be there and see them doing the deed. He said, she said - third party rumor - boasting/bragging - creative accounting .... doesn't prove a thing to the Warden, or the Judge.

Conservation is more than just a "numbers" game. Conservation is also - putting out habitat, taking home more trash/refuse than you took to the lake, paying for your license to fish, supporting organizations that promote your sport, and teaching the new up-and-coming generation that a fishing trip isn't always about how many fish you caught ;)

Crappie.com has well over 7000 registered users ... find me another organization of that size, that doesn't have its share of "greedy" people, rule benders & breakers, or even the occasional overcompetitive/creative truth stretcher. We're not a perfect bunch, but we do have a greater percentage of "sportsmen/women" members who are concerned with all aspects of the sport, and conservation minded.

....... cp :cool:
Pappy,
You make more sense than anyone. you always do. Need more like you.

CrappieHusker
03-07-2007, 03:11 PM
I agree that too many people catch and keep more than they should. But there are others and I am sure the majority of the posters on this board that catch many times the number that they keep!
There are definitely those that 'freezer' fish, mainly in the fall to fill their freezers for the winter.
36 years this week my wife and I honeymooned on Lake Taneycomo, yes we had a little time for fishing, but it was trout! :o Every morning there would be this couple from Illinois on the dock. (most trout were caught from the dock using a Lindy rig: crappie hook with a baby marshmellow to float half a crawler and a sliding weight (size depending on the current) In those days, you could sometimes catch your limit in less 30 minutes. Well, this couple would get up before light, get their spot, get their lines in the water (allowed 2 each), catch their 1st limit, he would clean them, she would take them to their cottage and probably in the freezer. The resort also offered to freeze your fish until you left at the end of your stay. This would go on all day every day for a week. He later told me that they averaged 3 large coolers of trout to take home every year that they had been coming down there. :eek: I am sure this is the exception rather than the rule, but it does happen!
I estimate that I keep 1 fish for every 30 or 40 that I catch. One reason is that between the middle of March and the middle of December we can just go down to the dock and catch fresh crappie when we want to eat some instead of keeping a supply on hand..unless planning a fishfry, when friends or family come over or giving some to friends that have had to move off of the water.
Some days I go out and fish for catfish or crappie, sometimes bring them back, take pictures and release them at our dock...Just love to fish. My wife thinks that any fish larger than 5 pounds has a personality and all they want to do is swim in the lake or make little fish!

GRIZZ
03-07-2007, 04:05 PM
I'm not sure if you mean conservation or moderation from the sound of your post, but I'll say one thing about it. This site overall has the best people on it I've encountered as a group in over 12 yrs of being online and participating in communities on it. If you want to, your always going to be able to find a sourpuss in a group of good people and then say something negative about it. Crappie.com is not a bushel of apples where a few rotten apples ruin the whole thing. They could if we let them, but the pests get squashed before they do very much damage. A word to the wise....

HOTSPOT
03-07-2007, 04:16 PM
The "fill my cooler" generation is slowly fading away.

Take only what you need and release the rest to fight again.

pescatore
03-07-2007, 04:19 PM
I'm not sure if you mean conservation or moderation from the sound of your post, but I'll say one thing about it. This site overall has the best people on it I've encountered as a group in over 12 yrs of being online and participating in communities on it. If you want to, your always going to be able to find a sourpuss in a group of good people and then say something negative about it. Crappie.com is not a bushel of apples where a few rotten apples ruin the whole thing. They could if we let them, but the pests get squashed before they do very much damage. A word to the wise....
You did not understand it, but your threat is well taken ,perhaps I dont belong here. So long

slabinator
03-07-2007, 04:32 PM
I appreciate the original post on this thread and took it to be encouragement to catch a reasonable amount and be willing to share and take of the resource so it stays viable for yourself and everyone else. If some folks only fish a few times a year and like to fill their freezers to the brim with a years worth of fish, if its legal more power to them. I would only have a problem with a boat catching hundreds if it is illegal. For myself I like to keep 12 decent size fish. That is enough for me my wife and my daughter to have fish for supper twice (my definition of decent is pretty small). When I limit myself to twelve keepers that means I will have a good excuse to go fishing again soon.

GRIZZ
03-07-2007, 08:50 PM
You did not understand it, but your threat is well taken ,perhaps I dont belong here. So long

Did you not say "Seems to me we have an awful lot of very greedy and selfish people here."? I think I did understand it. What you did was insult the people on this site, unless I'm reading that sentence wrong. What I said was moderate and carefully written not to be too harsh, but to get a point across. I did not imply you shouldn't be here, in fact I feel just the opposite. I think you could be interesting from your posts I've read, and I agree with your point. People shouldn't take more fish than they need. I just meant don't insult my friends. It was unnecessary.

Crappie Reaper
03-07-2007, 09:17 PM
All I know is that I have ONE package of filets left in the freezer. I haven't had time to restock but do now. I have caught many limits in my time, but have never kept a full limit. (37 in Oklahoma) There have also been many, many trips that have come up empty handed. Pescatore seems to have only tried to bring the subject of conservation to our attention. I appreciate it. I am sure there are a few on the board that have never had the thought of it. I know when I was younger, and hit on a mess of fish, who stops to think about conservation? I think it's kinda like the signs we see at buffets, take all you want, but eat what you take. (keyword being kinda) Those who have read the post that feel it is an attack on you, may feel that he was talking directly to you. Was he???

beenfishin?
03-07-2007, 10:33 PM
Seems to me that a fellow should not try and judge how many fish another fellow should keep. Reason bein that you don't know the reason they kept what they kept. I agree that the way some folks see things in the thread mentioned is not the way I see it, but hey, this is america and as far as I know we still have the right to our own opinion. I stated mine in that thread but I ain't mad at anyone for stating theirs. Hope nobody got mad at me, neither. As for leaving the forum, wish you wouldn't but, again, you got the right to your OPINION.

caseydrew
03-07-2007, 11:10 PM
When fishing lakes without limits I've kept a couple hundred crappie before and cleaned them all (there is a reason the biologists have determined there doesn't need to be a limit). I enjoy having fish frys w/ friends and family and would much rather catch and clean 200 at one time than have to clean 20 on 10 different occassions. I'm sure there are many guys out there that catch a couple really big bunches of fish a year and clean all of them....only to release the fish they catch throughout the rest of the year once they think they have enough for the freezer.

I understand your concern and agree that you shouldn't make it a quest to remove all the fish from the lake, but I'm sure the majority of crappie fishermen make it a point not to do this. I'm sorry you feel so negatively about the "greedy and selfish" people on this board. You would have to be looking pretty hard for negative comments to have come to this conclusion. Where else can you go and ask for fishing tips and expect 5 to 10 responses in the same day from people trying to help. Cheer up and go fishing!

pescatore
03-07-2007, 11:11 PM
Did you not say "Seems to me we have an awful lot of very greedy and selfish people here."? I think I did understand it. What you did was insult the people on this site, unless I'm reading that sentence wrong. What I said was moderate and carefully written not to be too harsh, but to get a point across. I did not imply you shouldn't be here, in fact I feel just the opposite. I think you could be interesting from your posts I've read, and I agree with your point. People shouldn't take more fish than they need. I just meant don't insult my friends. It was unnecessary.


There are currently threads on fishing Structure placed by another,Jug fishing, and hand held counting devices..Read them and then tell me again that I'm wrong to question conservation,moderation or what ever handle you may want to place on it..I dont feel that I painted with a broad brush,I did not intend to insult your friends nor do I feel that I did. There is a heck of a lot of bragging that goes on here about how big,how much and how often.What I was really looking for in both threads was a comment about the hatching and stocking we did with the Sons of Lake Erie. It was entirely overlooked because we are more interested in who might be fishing "my structure". Thats what I meant about your not understanding the real meaning of the post. Obviously I did not make it entirely clear to everyone. Who so ever was offended by what I said,I apologize. This was a general statement designed to make people aware that the water,the fish and the structures,belong to no one and to everyone. Take care of it. Lets make sure its there for our children to enjoy,as we have enjoyed it.

GRIZZ
03-08-2007, 03:13 AM
You'll find that I also have pretty strong feeling about what I consider unsportsmanlike fishing methods for crappies. Jugging for crappies sure rubs me the wrong way, and so does snagging, and I often vent against those activities. I also agree that proper conservation efforts need to be taken in order to preserve numbers and size of fish now that crappie fishing is getting so popular.

I hate these kind of "he said - she said" arguments, they are silly. I would never have said anything if that one sentence was not in your post. In my opinion it was painting with a brush that was too wide and thats why I said something about it. There are always going to be people you are going to disagree with in a group this size. Its unavoidable, and I'm sure there are some people here who are greedy and selfish, BUT saying that an awful lot of them here is a mistake your not going to ever get away with as long as I can voice my opinion because your making the site sound bad when in fact it isn't. The vast majority of people here are top notch and shouldn't be called something they are not. In the future I'm sure we can avoid this kind of irritating conflict if you just target your anger a little more carefully.

If someone walked up to my mother and hit her I would make that person regret the day he was born, but I wouldn't grab a shotgun and blaze away at that persons whole family. Thats my point.

bugman
03-08-2007, 05:46 AM
Well said Grizz...i think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned sourpuss...makes sense to me!!!

gabowman
03-08-2007, 05:48 AM
Well said CP.

CrappiePappy
03-08-2007, 07:56 AM
was to bring conservation of the sport, and fisheries in general, into discussion. That point was lost in the mix. The thread has been locked, and is being reviewed for possible deletion. ......... cp :cool: