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cwright
11-20-2015, 11:43 AM
I know you are supposed to spider rig slow around .5. I am going to pull some crankbaits tomorrow and usually try to pull between 1.2 and 1.5 mph. Has anybody ever put out a few rods in the front with heavier weights and a couple of jigs when trolling crankbaits off the rear? Is that too fast for the jigs to be effective at all? I usually let the wife sit in the rear and catch all the fish, but thought I might pick up a few for myself in the front if I did this. Anyone try?

bfish
11-20-2015, 12:52 PM
3+ oz and push cranks off the front, same speed as off the back.

cwright
11-20-2015, 01:06 PM
thought about that as well. how do you rig it up. weight and then leader and crank bait almost like a carolina rig or do you run the weight at the bottom?

"G"
11-20-2015, 01:33 PM
Weight three ft. in front of crank bait

cwright
11-20-2015, 02:10 PM
Thanks G. I will try it tomorrow.

CrappiePappy
11-20-2015, 03:40 PM
Around here, most of the crank pushers/pullers are using 2oz torpedo shaped trolling weights & 5ft leaders (6lb test mono) and run around 1.8mph (main line is usually 30lb braid on Okuma Linecounter reels)

I've pushed jigs in and amongst the crank guys, and caught Crappie ... running 1/2oz weight & 2ft leader at around 0.8mph. If I was going to push at 1.2mph-1.5mph, I'd probably up my weight to 3/4oz to 1oz ... or whatever weight it would take to keep my lines at about a 45deg slant. That way I would know how deep I was fishing ... considering that with 20ft of line out at a 45deg angle, my jig would be at around 12ft deep (multiply length of line out by 0.6 if line angle is at 45deg). Or in other words ... every 10ft of line out = 6ft of depth for the jig. And don't count the length of line that's between the rod tip and water's surface as part of your "length of line out". I run 14' rods, but only count 14' of line out as 12ft of line out, since there's usually around 2ft of line out of the water between rod tip & surface when I'm pushing at around 0.8mph.

And I'm sure you are already aware of the fact that if you're pushing/pulling cranks with weight on the line ... if one of them snags, you CAN'T STOP moving forward without taking the chance of hanging ALL OF THEM up. :Doh:
I've only trolled with cranks three times ... and lost as many cranks (3) ... but, all of mine were lost to fish (likely large Catfish). I'm not equipped to troll cranks for any length of time, so I'm generally pushing jigs among the crank pushers.

... cp :kewl

cwright
11-20-2015, 03:56 PM
thanks. I tried pulling cranks last weekend and really liked it.

monkscrappie
11-21-2015, 09:30 AM
I have weights and heavy action poles for pushing crank baits.

Monk

cwright
11-23-2015, 08:54 AM
Tried pushing 4 and pulling 4 this Sat. Hickory was very high and muddy. Only caught a nice 4 lb largemouth. Could not get a crappie to even look at them. Left and went to Kerr Scott to see if it was any better, but it was the same with same results.

skeetbum
11-23-2015, 07:37 PM
I'll just tell you the how and why I rig like I do to push cranks. 3 way swivel. Braid to one leg and a 3' leader with duo lock snaps on each end on another leg.For weight I use a trolling sinker with a split ring and duo lock snap on it. This clips onto the third leg and makes removal for storage much easier than having the heavy weight floppin around. I use a 10lb mono leader and have lost very few baits. The snaps make putting things together on the water much easier and faster. Adding rods while under way is mostly done after just connecting here and there. I use hi vis braid and use a magic marker to mark every 2 feet starting at 8'. Making about 10 marks you just count how many go out of the reel, or rod tip, whichever suits you, to be able to return to the previous depth. Stout rods do well for the 3oz weights and I used 2oz with good success also.
Sam and I fished together a lot. I would push 4 out front with a smaller crank and he would pull 4 or 6 out the back with Bandit 300's or my handpainted cranks. We had a few banner days that always brought us back for more.

cwright
11-24-2015, 07:44 AM
Thanks for the info Skeetbum, I like the idea of using the snaps. I use to do that when fishing for big blue cats. To keep the weights from beating the rods to death on the trips. Also made changing weights easier if I needed more or less weight. I am going back home for Thanksgiving and will try it on my hometown lake - Tillery. I know there are lots of good crappie on that lake.

TowboatTroller
02-26-2016, 04:35 PM
I'm looking at this idea myself.
What do y'all think about long lining from the back at .6-.8 jigs 1/4oz and pushing 3 bandits on the front? I'm thinking 3 0z sinkers 3 way to snap swivel
Like skeetbum suggested.
Most fish are suspended at 15ft in 22-30fow or right on the bottom within foot or two.
I normally catch fish long lining deep and slow but time after time I see guys pulling cranks catching suspended fish at 15fow when I can't get a bite.

Very good idea y'all have here thanks!

Lonnie84
02-26-2016, 09:16 PM
I thought pulling cranks was mainly a warm water thing, late spring or summer what water temps are you guys pulling in?

CrappiePappy
02-26-2016, 10:14 PM
I thought pulling cranks was mainly a warm water thing, late spring or summer what water temps are you guys pulling in?

Around here we usually start when the water temps get around 70 early in the year (post spawn) and stop when water temps drop below 60 late in the year. But, yeah ... most success comes when it's hot (air & water) as the fish start roaming open water, chasing Shad schools on the flats. Mostly it's White Crappie that hit the cranks, but occasionally we'll hang into a Black Crappie.

... cp :kewl

Gobob
02-27-2016, 07:12 AM
I've pulled cranks from Feb to Dec Caught fish every month April to July and October through mid November are best Been trying spider rigging and pushing but prefer to pull

trypman1
02-27-2016, 08:46 AM
A very good thread for sure, thanks Guys.

TowboatTroller
02-27-2016, 02:34 PM
Does anyone have a diagram of how there setup is including knots at each tie?
Think most my trouble always comes from knots. Idk many of them to well.

CrappiePappy
02-27-2016, 03:35 PM
Does anyone have a diagram of how there setup is including knots at each tie?
Think most my trouble always comes from knots. Idk many of them to well.

Mine is simple : main line is run thru a egg sinker, then a bead - then tied to a duo lock snap with a Improved Clinch knot - then the leader has a loop knot on one end & a jig on the other (tied with a Improved Clinch knot) ... and the loop knot is hooked into the duo lock snap, and I'm ready to :fish

A swivel could be substituted for the duo lock snap .... as either will do the job of holding the sinker on the main line & holding the pre-rigged leader.

The Improved Clinch knot is easy to tie : run line thru the hole (jig eye or clip/swivel) and twist it around itself 4-6 times, then run the end through the loop opening next to the "hole" and then back through the loop next to the twists you made around the main line. Wet the line and slowly cinch it closed, and trim off the excess tag line.

Like this :
http://www.hooked-on-flies.com/images/impclinchknot.gif

The loop knot on the leader is tied like this :

http://www.fishing-guernsey.co.uk/Rigs_Knots/loop_knot.jpg

... cp :kewl

TowboatTroller
02-29-2016, 01:24 AM
Mine is simple : main line is run thru a egg sinker, then a bead - then tied to a duo lock snap with a Improved Clinch knot - then the leader has a loop knot on one end & a jig on the other (tied with a Improved Clinch knot) ... and the loop knot is hooked into the duo lock snap, and I'm ready to :fish

A swivel could be substituted for the duo lock snap .... as either will do the job of holding the sinker on the main line & holding the pre-rigged leader.

The Improved Clinch knot is easy to tie : run line thru the hole (jig eye or clip/swivel) and twist it around itself 4-6 times, then run the end through the loop opening next to the "hole" and then back through the loop next to the twists you made around the main line. Wet the line and slowly cinch it closed, and trim off the excess tag line.

Like this :
http://www.hooked-on-flies.com/images/impclinchknot.gif

The loop knot on the leader is tied like this :

http://www.fishing-guernsey.co.uk/Rigs_Knots/loop_knot.jpg

... cp :kewl
Thanks cp!