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try'n hard
10-13-2014, 03:20 PM
Watched a guy in the river casting a spinning outfit with a 1/8oz jig and cigar cork about 100' each throw. Guessing slip cork but it didn't look weighted. I can cast mine about 50' at best... So what am I missing? Rod looked to be at least 6'..... I wanna be able to do that!!

deathb4disco
10-13-2014, 04:10 PM
Longer rod + thinner line + bigger reel spool = more distance

wicklundrh
10-13-2014, 04:26 PM
I build rods for people and that distance seems right but.... there are a few factors to consider.
1. Type of guide eyes. What are they made of.
2. Size of eyes. Do they start with a 20mm stripper or 25mm.
3. Number of eyes. More eyes shoot the line straighter.
4. Type of blank. Glass, composite, graphite, blend.
5. Action. Mod fast, fast, x-fast.
6. Type of reel. You get what you pay for.
7. Line size.

I would build a 6'6" MHX blank with microwave guide eyes. Blank is lightweight fast action designed to throw under 1/8 oz baits. 2 inch fore grip, 6 inch rear, with a 16mm reel seat. Price of a rig like that you ask? About 150. Not saying you can't buy one off the shelf for 30 bucks but you have to find the right combination and go through 4 or 5 to get there. (5 x 30=150).

I would also put on a shimano stradic reel. That will set you back another 200. Again, I'm sure others will do it for cheaper but how many will you buy to get there.

Hope that helps. Look up "microwave guide eyes" to see what I am talking about.

lowe175
10-13-2014, 07:22 PM
I good shimano reel will help a lot.You don't need a stradic a Sedona will work. They are half the price. I have two Sedonas on 5'6 light action and I can almost spool them with a weight cork.the rods with the microwave eyes will help a lot like wicklundrh said. But for crappie I can't pay that much for a rod. A good reel will help you the most for the $

RiverSlabber
10-13-2014, 10:11 PM
Wow, I topped out at $120 for my new rod and reel and though that was pricey.

SeaRay
10-13-2014, 10:31 PM
Well if you believe the Berkley TV commercial, he was using Nanofil line. Cute commercial too.
Berkley® NanoFil® - TV - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC0DuoeyclQ&list=UUTVVgVKrCmytiln5DMNfCiA&index=1&feature=plc)

Crestliner08
10-14-2014, 06:27 AM
Not sure of the distance I normally cast at, but with a 1/8th. ounce head, most UL to L action commercial rods will do just nicely. Take a look at the 7' B n' M SHSS rod (about $45.). Match that up with a Pflueger President 2520 series reel (another $45.). Fill it with 2# test Fireline. Add a 3' section of 2# fluorocarbon leader, using the Alberto knot. This rig, along with several others (which are quite similar) that I have, can cast about far as anything you could ever want - IMO. And you can get this complete set-up for about $100.+-. Yes, you can get better quality. But why?

Fatman
10-14-2014, 08:42 AM
The three UL outfits I've been using the last couple of years are: the rods are all 6 1/2' long

Bass Pro Pro Comp II UL ($19 back in the 80's and wish I had bought more) and a Shimano TX-110 UL reel - this used to be one of Shimano's top of the line reels $50 (80's)
Cabelas Pro Guide 4 piece pack rod ($4 at a flea market) and a Shimano AX 1000 UL reel $3 at a flea market
Shakespere Ugly stick Pro light ($30), I also have a 7' Pro Light UL and I switch back and forth with a Shimano Symetre 1000 reel - when I was going through some really bad medical problems a very kind member here on the board sent me this reel.

I have 5 other Shimano spinning reels that are anywhere from 20+ yrs. to 8+ yrs. The only one that looks a little beat is the AX1000 but is very sound. It doesn't have to be really expensive to get set up but a good reel will last you many years with good care. And yes I'm a bit stuck on the Shimano's but they have been really good to me and Shimano stands behind them.

wicklundrh
10-14-2014, 08:45 AM
Crestliner08,

I get asked that question all the time. My answer is always the same... Once you fish with a custom rod you more than likely won't want to fish with anything else. Production rods are just that. Mass produced with little "attention to detail" given.

Best example I can give is this. Go look in any box store and pick up a rod. Look down the rod from the butt to the tip. You should be able to see the spine of the rod. That spine should always point "down". The guide eyes should be straight and follow the spine from the handle to the tip. Most of the time, the guides are crooked and the spine is off center. Eyes don't line up with the handle. This causes friction when casting and added abrasion when fighting a fish.

As far as the comment "once you fish with one". Ussually it boils down to fit and comfort as you are getting the exact handle configuration you want. Try getting a six inch foregrip on a 7ft 6in medium light fast jigging rod at a box store. It doens't happen. For that matter, try actually finding what you "want". Split grip rods seem to the what every company is going to however, not everyone likes that. I spend 7 to 8 hours fishing tournaments jigging for walleye in the river. My rod without a reel weights 1.25lbs. A similar design in a box store weights 3.4lbs. At the end of the day, your arms can tell the difference.

I received a PM from a friend of mine the other day asking for a specific rod. We can call it an ATV of rods as he wanted to cast "specific" baits for multiple species of fish. The type of baits he is casting warrent a very specific action of rod. Couple that with the length and handle configuration he is looking for..... they don't make it and sell it in the store.

Rods are no different than anything else you buy. We spend thousands of dollars on electronics and trolling motors. We don't buy stuff because it is on sale. If you like to use a specific fishing line that costs 5 dollars more than another brand, we buy it... rods are not any different.

deathb4disco
10-14-2014, 10:11 AM
My rod without a reel weights 1.25lbs. A similar design in a box store weights 3.4lbs.

:dono

These numbers can't be right.

wicklundrh
10-14-2014, 10:26 AM
good catch Disco...

I meant Oz :bash

Doesn't seem like much but it makes a huge difference

deathb4disco
10-14-2014, 10:42 AM
good catch Disco...

I meant Oz :bash

Doesn't seem like much but it makes a huge difference

That's what I hoped you meant! :biggrin

skeetbum
10-14-2014, 07:36 PM
Shakespeare Micro Graphite- 7'- lite action-$18 or so at Wally. 2000series spinning reel and 6lb hi vis line and I doubt you will be disappointed. Versatile and affordable.

Fatman
10-14-2014, 07:52 PM
Skeet - is the micro graphite the grey one?? redear was telling me he picked one up and really liked it. My local WalMart is expanding and they don't carry much till they're finished but I don't like buying anything there. I'll check and see if Cabelas has any when I go this weekend in Michigan when I go for the grand daughters birthday. Course I really don't need another fishing pole!!! LOL

wicklundrh
10-15-2014, 08:55 AM
Skeet - is the micro graphite the grey one?? redear was telling me he picked one up and really liked it. My local WalMart is expanding and they don't carry much till they're finished but I don't like buying anything there. I'll check and see if Cabelas has any when I go this weekend in Michigan when I go for the grand daughters birthday. Course I really don't need another fishing pole!!! LOL
:Rofl

Really don't need another fishing pole! That is like not needing any more jigs! They build those stores off from guys like us that "don't need anymore of something". May you walk out of there having only spent your set limit!!

bobothewizard
10-16-2014, 02:15 PM
NanoFil... Love that stuff. Use it on everything but the spider rigging rods.

Fatman
10-16-2014, 03:13 PM
What limit!!!! LOL I'm hoping the wife does what she did last year and hand me a hand basket and says go have fun!!!! and hoping the son in law comes up with some old lead water pipe to add to the lead stash!!

Fatman
10-16-2014, 03:14 PM
Really don't need another fishing pole! That is like not needing any more jigs! They build those stores off from guys like us that "don't need anymore of something". May you walk out of there having only spent your set limit!!


What limit!!!! LOL I'm hoping the wife does what she did last year and hand me a hand basket and says go have fun!!!! and hoping the son in law comes up with some old lead water pipe to add to the lead stash!!

skeetbum
10-16-2014, 04:06 PM
Doug, without having it in my hand I have to say it's black. Handle comes wrapped in plastic. Best all around rod I own, from pitching jigs to jig and cork to deep jigging. Suck it up and go get one, I bet you'll own more than one before it's done.

Fatman
10-17-2014, 04:01 PM
Thanks buddy!!